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This is a discussion on Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates within the Navy & Maritime forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by StevoJH And dated October 2008, well after the last Spraunce left service.... I think LM need to ...


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Old July 19th, 2010   #3841
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And dated October 2008, well after the last Spraunce left service....

I think LM need to work on their PR departments research skills.
unless its just a an old idea reheated as a load of vessels with ASW focus (Japanese and Korean) vessels it was an attempt to reheat an old idea because that's been around since the late 80s VL Asroc
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unless its just a an old idea reheated as a load of vessels with ASW focus (Japanese and Korean) vessels it was an attempt to reheat an old idea because that's been around since the late 80s VL Asroc
Perhaps, but I would have thought someone would have at least skimmed through it and checked all the facts were still up to date before authorising its release.
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Perhaps, but I would have thought someone would have at least skimmed through it and checked all the facts were still up to date before authorising its release.
The corp comms people generally don't require industry (ie military) knowledge as a pre-req though...

Agreed, the spruance class have de-commed. I wouldn't be too hard on LM (guilty of lax cut and pasting for my original post as well and in defence, its not a material issue) :P
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How effective is the ASROC as an anti submarine weapon?

The RUM 139A/B is listed with a range of 28 km (15 nm), how effective is this? Wouldn't a maritime helicopter be more effective?

The payload is a Mark 46 torpedo. I believe the RAN has replaced the Mk46 with Eurotorp MU90
Could the ASROC be adapted to use the Eurotorp MU90?

perhaps the VLA-ER could be an option for the future frigate with its anti- submarine focus
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The VLA Extended Range (VLA-ER) is an improved variant of the Vertical Launch ASROC (VLA) missile adding a wing glide kit to extend its maximum range four to five times. VLA-ER reuses 90 percent of components from basic VLA and includes a common configuration allowing for both ship and aircraft launch. The new missile has been designed to engage existing and future underwater threats. As of early July 2009, Lockheed Martin was still undergoing development of the VLA-ER missile system.
The VLA-ER uses a Mk54 torpedo
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Just a quick question, what will we be using to move the Canberra and Adelaide to Williamstown ? I did have the reference but for the life of me can't find it on the net now
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Just a quick question, what will we be using to move the Canberra and Adelaide to Williamstown ? I did have the reference but for the life of me can't find it on the net now
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Large transport ship with a submersible dock on the back from memory.
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Large transport ship with a submersible dock on the back from memory.
Any specific names of the ship ?
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I think they will be using Blue Marlin or Black Marlin ships for the trip to Oz

Loo for Blue Marlin or Black Marlin ships in google. First pics are from the Blue Marling carrying the USS Cole when it was damaged by terrorists
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I think they will be using Blue Marlin or Black Marlin ships for the trip to Oz

Loo for Blue Marlin or Black Marlin ships in google. First pics are from the Blue Marling carrying the USS Cole when it was damaged by terrorists
Blue Marlin is probably the only one that *might* be big enough, but if the deck dimensions on Wikipedia are correct, there would be a roughly 50-60 metre overhang from the rear of Blue Marlin if they plan to carry the entire assembled hull.

I guess if it worked out to be too big they could always tow it here.
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I was wondering, if RAN gets the MH-60R, whether it would want to utilise the AGM-119 that they acquired back in ~2002, presuming they still have them?
The links that Google finds for me seems to favour the idea that the Romeo can deploy the AGM-119.
Stumbled on this link, the comment #1 at the bottom makes for an interesting read.
Australia Formally Requests Buying 24 MH-60R from the USA - Defense-Update Newscast

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I was wondering, if RAN gets the MH-60R, whether it would want to utilise the AGM-119 that they acquired back in ~2002, presuming they still have them?
The links that Google finds for me seems to favour the idea that the Romeo can deploy the AGM-119.
Stumbled on this link, the comment #1 at the bottom makes for an interesting read.
Australia Formally Requests Buying 24 MH-60R from the USA - Defense-Update Newscast

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So.

This doesnt mean that MH-60R is being purchased.

What this means, is that the company making MH-60R is requesting permission from the US Government to sell it. They have to do this prior to making a bid to the competition.

In other words, the Australian government still hasnt made its decision on what helicopter to buy yet.
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So.

This doesnt mean that MH-60R is being purchased.

What this means, is that the company making MH-60R is requesting permission from the US Government to sell it. They have to do this prior to making a bid to the competition.

In other words, the Australian government still hasnt made its decision on what helicopter to buy yet.
Yes, I understand that.
But if they did, i was wondering whether the the Penguin would still be a viable option, presuming they haven't already been disposed of.
Having a missile with a ~35km range and a 120kg warhead would be a useful option I would have thought.
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Yes, I understand that.
But if they did, i was wondering whether the the Penguin would still be a viable option, presuming they haven't already been disposed of.
Having a missile with a ~35km range and a 120kg warhead would be a useful option I would have thought.
Hellfire is probably sufficient - if it's not then the MH-60R can always feed targeting information to nearby surface assets for a Harpoon launch. Likewise it can share data with maritime patrol or strike aircraft, both of which have options for prosecuting surface targets. Not like the chopper is going to be operating independently, after all.
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Delilah-HL. 3 times larger warhead than the hellfire. 10 times the range of the sea skua.

DELILAH HL

USN used to have a light defender/star-1 project but I did not keep track.
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Delilah-HL. 3 times larger warhead than the hellfire. 10 times the range of the sea skua.

DELILAH HL

USN used to have a light defender/star-1 project but I did not keep track.
Is the Delilah-HL entering service?

which platforms is it designed for?
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