This is a discussion on Return of the battleship. within the Navy & Maritime forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Why would you need 33kts+ on a bb? It won't be operating with a Carrier Battle Group anyway. They'll be ...
Why would you need 33kts+ on a bb? It won't be operating with a Carrier Battle Group anyway. They'll be supporting amfib operations, which means that they only need to operate with the Anfib fleet.
Operation Crossroads was an atmospheric nuclear weapon test series conducted in the summer of 1946 at Bikini Atoll in the Marshall Islands. The series consisted of two detonations, a low altitude test and a shallow water test. The devices, each with a yield of 21 kilotons, were named shots ABLE and BAKER. A planned third test, a deep underwater detonation, was canceled after the second test.
Operation Crossroads was a series of nuclear weapon tests conducted by the United States at Bikini Atoll in the summer of 1946. Its purpose was to test the effect of nuclear weapons on naval ships. The series consisted of two detonations, each with a yield of 23 kilotons:[1] Able was detonated at an altitude of 520 feet (158 m) on July 1, 1946; Baker was detonated 90 feet (27 m) underwater on July 25, 1946. A third burst, Charlie, planned for 1947, was canceled primarily because of the Navy's inability to decontaminate the target ships after the Baker test.
New York prepared at Pearl Harbor for the planned invasion of Japan, and after war's end, made a voyage to the West Coast returning veterans and bringing out their replacements. She sailed from Pearl Harbor again on 29 September with passengers for New York, arriving on 19 October. Here she prepared to serve as target ship in Operation Crossroads, the Bikini atomic tests, sailing on 4 March 1946 for the West Coast. She left San Francisco on 1 May, and after calls in Pearl Harbor and Kwajalein, reached Bikini on 15 June. Surviving the surface blast on 1 July and the underwater explosion on 25 July, she was taken into Kwajalein and decommissioned there on 29 August. Later towed to Pearl Harbor, she was studied during the next two years, and on 8 July 1948 was towed out to sea some 40 mi (35 nmi; 64 km) and there sunk after an 8-hour pounding by ships and planes carrying out full-scale battle maneuvers with new weapons. An article in Naval Aviation News (October 1948) described the weapons exercise that USS New York was subjected to:
"The ex-BB's New York and Nevada, having survived the tests at Bikini, were towed from Pearl Harbor to a spot south of Oahu, and there were subjected to an unmerciful pounding by fleet air and surface units. Planes led by the commanding officer of Fleet All Weather Training Unit Pacific (FAWTUPAC), Captain Paul H. Ramsey, USN, were in on both kills. On 7 July 1948 the New York was the first to feel the sting of the fighters and attack aircraft. Twenty-six planes, consisting of two F7F-4Ns, six F8F-1Ns, twelve F6F-5Ns, and six TBM-3Ns dropped a total of 48 500-pound bombs, 40 100-pound bombs, 98 5-inch HVARs and expended 4,100 rounds of .50 caliber ammunition. Twenty-one direct hits were scored with the 500-pound bombs, 20 direct hits were scored with the 100-pound bombs, and 56 direct hits were scored with the 5-inch HVARs. While surface units stood by and submarines waited to close in for the kill, the tired old battlewagon rolled over and sank as the last participating FAWTUPAC planes recovered from their bombing attacks."[3]
Can I post a link to another forum here? Couple of people over there involved in the 1980's reactivation of them as well as the 1990's decommissioning.? gf and possibly AD probably know the forum I am referring to (WAB).
Cross posting is not something that we encourage, although I'm guilty of doing it on WAB as well.
However, one of the DefProfs on WAB was the prog manager for the Iowas, and he has made it pretty clear that some of the commentary on the Iowas in the public domain is absolute tosh.
the reason I say that is because I'm in a restricted online discussion group where a senior member has made similar claims about what the BB's carried and could do. The prog manager has unequivocably rejected some of the internet chat as too much NCIS and pretend engineers making things up along the way.
the thread is not visible in WAB public threads, but I'm happy to flag it (partial content) offline to those with a need to be informed rather than a continuation of this particular thread.
________________ A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, says:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
Cross posting is not something that we encourage, although I'm guilty of doing it on WAB as well.
However, one of the DefProfs on WAB was the prog manager for the Iowas, and he has made it pretty clear that some of the commentary on the Iowas in the public domain is absolute tosh.
the reason I say that is because I'm in a restricted online discussion group where a senior member has made similar claims about what the BB's carried and could do. The prog manager has unequivocably rejected some of the internet chat as too much NCIS and pretend engineers making things up along the way.
the thread is not visible in WAB public threads, but I'm happy to flag it (partial content) offline to those with a need to be informed rather than a continuation of this particular thread.
Please do. I find the whole reactivation "debate" highly interesting.
Seconded, it'd be good to see a comprehensive rebuttal.
I think you might have misunderstood my prev. I meant I would not provide privileged commentary into the public domain via an open forum.
happy to field specific questions offline, but not happy to relay it all via the public internet
that might sound weird, but it was an offline chat for a reason and was meant to test the integrity of another poster who was making claims about their expertise (in another forum)
________________ A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, says:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
Definitely agree with you on that one. And from the sounds of it they are quite happy to part with what information they can.
Under normal circumstances I'd be quite happy to flap my gums off, but as it was wrapped around a private conversation re testing other peoples credentials, then it puts me in an invidious position.
________________ A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, says:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
Under normal circumstances I'd be quite happy to flap my gums off, but as it was wrapped around a private conversation re testing other peoples credentials, then it puts me in an invidious position.
Ah, totally misunderstood what you meant. Sorry about that, by no means did I intend to pry into anything private.
Thanks for the suggestion Steve, might go check those forums out.
Under normal circumstances I'd be quite happy to flap my gums off, but as it was wrapped around a private conversation re testing other peoples credentials, then it puts me in an invidious position.
Didn't mean to suggest that, meant to suggest that people may want to ask Rusty and Ytlas? themselves.
Operation Crossroads was an atmospheric nuclear weapon test series conducted in the summer of 1946 at Bikini Atoll in the Marshall Islands. The series consisted of two detonations, a low altitude test and a shallow water test. The devices, each with a yield of 21 kilotons, were named shots ABLE and BAKER. A planned third test, a deep underwater detonation, was canceled after the second test.
