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NATO submarines in Black Sea

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Old August 26th, 2008   #1
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NATO submarines in Black Sea

hi i have been following all the georgia stuff, and i read a report that the USS Dallas nuclear sub was headed to the Black sea.
now it seems its in san fran, but anyway, i thought that US subs were banned from the black sea under the montreax treaty, is this correct, or can turkey let them in if it wants?

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excuse me? i'm not in a submarine, i was asking about the status of submarines in the black sea... ive been posting on a thread on another site, with lots of what appear to be russian mafia..
i posted what i believed to be an accurate report about the USS Dallas submarine (yes i know the coast guard is there too).. and got my head ripped off about non black sea subs.. it would just be nice if some expert could tell me they were wrong, that s all.
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excuse me? i'm not in a submarine, i was asking about the status of submarines in the black sea... ive been posting on a thread on another site, with lots of what appear to be russian mafia..
i posted what i believed to be an accurate report about the USS Dallas submarine (yes i know the coast guard is there too).. and got my head ripped off about non black sea subs.. it would just be nice if some expert could tell me they were wrong, that s all.
i am aware turkish (ie NATO) subs do live there quite happily.
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The USS Dallas returned to port in Groton last week. It is not in the black sea.

There have been no reports in the open source about submarines in the black sea.
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now if someone would be so kind as to address my question that would be great, thanks!

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thanks, i think i said that, do you know if US submarines could enter the black sea... ? legally? montreaux treaty and stuff?
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The USS Dallas returned to port in Groton last week. It is not in the black sea.

There have been no reports in the open source about submarines in the black sea.
The vanguard includes the Burke-class destroyer McFaul (pictured)and the armed Coast Guard cutter Dallas. (Another Dallas, a nuclear submarine, is also in the area.)

http://pajamasmedia.com/richardferna...the-black-sea/
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Earlier this month they visited Cyprus http://www.military.com/news/article...=1186032311124 , so it's not impossible for them to get dispatched to the Black Sea. So far it's unconfirmed. I'm sure during the Cold War some USN and other non-Black Sea navies' subs operated there.
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thanks, i think i said that, do you know if US submarines could enter the black sea... ? legally? montreaux treaty and stuff?
No, nuclear submarines most definitely cant. And US dont have conventional ones lol.
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Earlier this month they visited Cyprus http://www.military.com/news/article...=1186032311124 , so it's not impossible for them to get dispatched to the Black Sea. So far it's unconfirmed. I'm sure during the Cold War some USN and other non-Black Sea navies' subs operated there.
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No, during cold war none of nuclear submarines operated in Black Sea. Both prohibited by treaty and useless from military POV.
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Earlier this month they visited Cyprus http://www.military.com/news/article...=1186032311124 , so it's not impossible for them to get dispatched to the Black Sea. So far it's unconfirmed. I'm sure during the Cold War some USN and other non-Black Sea navies' subs operated there.
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thank you.
phew! well thats a bit of progress, basically confirms what i was thinking anyway... ie a cruise missile sub would not need to be in the black sea, only the med. (range 3000km)
it did get me thinking, oh, but this is not the site for such things! back to guardian.co.uk to talk to putins friends.
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No, during cold war none of nuclear submarines operated in Black Sea. Both prohibited by treaty and useless from military POV.
Are you sure? Besides, what about conventional subs?
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The Navy decided to stop constructing diesel subs in 1956 and decommissioned the last diesel sub used for standard practices in 1990, according to the March 2006 issue of Proceedings. http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,95378,00.html
The USS Dolphin (AGSS-555) was the last US diesel-electric submarine, commissioned on August 17, 1968, and decommissioned on September 22, 2006.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/news/0...ine/index.html
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No, during cold war none of nuclear submarines operated in Black Sea. Both prohibited by treaty and useless from military POV.

Are you sure Chrom?

It's a very bold and quite frankly very hopeful statement to make.
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