Littoral Combat Ships, Good Idea or Bad?

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Zach Z.

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I was reading up on the two classes of Littoral Combat Ships the US Navy has already put into production and I was wondering something. Are those ships a good idea?

I have been aboard one of them, the USS Fort Worth, and I was pretty impressed at the amount of firepower the little ships can pack onto their hulls. They have the ability to be an anti-surface, anti-submarine, and anti-air platform depending on what modules they have mounted. They also serve the purpose of having the ability to become the Navy's replacement minesweeper vessels and are the planned ship to phase out the Frigates. All of that within a very shallow draft and very fast vessel with quite a stinger in its tail.

The ships also have an air wing, they can carry a chopper, a Sea King I think, correct me if I'm wrong, and a few different UAV's. So this ship also can reach out and touch you from a distance

These ships also have another advantage, they are not very crew intensive, aout forty to sixty people are needed to man it and for the Navy that is a huge boon with the budget crisis nowadays. But with all their advanced metalworking and technology as well as the sheer numbers of the ships the Navy has ordered are they a viable option for the Navy?

I personally believe so, with the threat of Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz the Navy needs a ship that can combat small attack craft in shallow water and be able to detect and dispose of mines which the Iranians have planned to and have used in the past. Along with escort potential in the form of ASW capability with helicopters and a good sonar system the Littoral Combat ship could also see a convoy of merchantmen through a contested area given enough support from aerial assets and warning from intelligence sources. That's my argument for the idea of Littoral Combat Ships, anyone have anything else to add or dispute?
 

Zach Z.

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I was reading up on the two classes of Littoral Combat Ships the US Navy has already put into production and I was wondering something. Are those ships a good idea?

I have been aboard one of them, the USS Fort Worth, and I was pretty impressed at the amount of firepower the little ships can pack onto their hulls. They have the ability to be an anti-surface, anti-submarine, and anti-air platform depending on what modules they have mounted. They also serve the purpose of having the ability to become the Navy's replacement minesweeper vessels and are the planned ship to phase out the Frigates. All of that within a very shallow draft and very fast vessel with quite a stinger in its tail.

The ships also have an air wing, they can carry a chopper, a Sea King I think, correct me if I'm wrong, and a few different UAV's. So this ship also can reach out and touch you from a distance

These ships also have another advantage, they are not very crew intensive, aout forty to sixty people are needed to man it and for the Navy that is a huge boon with the budget crisis nowadays. But with all their advanced metalworking and technology as well as the sheer numbers of the ships the Navy has ordered are they a viable option for the Navy?

I personally believe so, with the threat of Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz the Navy needs a ship that can combat small attack craft in shallow water and be able to detect and dispose of mines which the Iranians have planned to and have used in the past. Along with escort potential in the form of ASW capability with helicopters and a good sonar system the Littoral Combat ship could also see a convoy of merchantmen through a contested area given enough support from aerial assets and warning from intelligence sources. That's my argument for the idea of Littoral Combat Ships, anyone have anything else to add or dispute?
I also wanted to ask if the Littoral Combat Ships could become the Coast Guard's next main ship?
 

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Zach, There are at least 30 posts discussing the LCS issues within the USN Thread.
I sugest you open that thread and use the search function and work your way through all the comments.
You will find most of your questions answered.
Cheers and good luck
 

NeoIsolationist

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I also wanted to ask if the Littoral Combat Ships could become the Coast Guard's next main ship?
LCS vessels are designed with high speed sea frames, which would not be a good fit for coast guard ships. I thought about this as an option at one point. It would necessitate a new sea frame and new engines (high dash speed is not necessary, longer legs is). That'd be a different vessel. =)
 

NeoIsolationist

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I was reading up on the two classes of Littoral Combat Ships the US Navy has already put into production and I was wondering something. Are those ships a good idea?

I have been aboard one of them, the USS Fort Worth, and I was pretty impressed at the amount of firepower the little ships can pack onto their hulls. They have the ability to be an anti-surface, anti-submarine, and anti-air platform depending on what modules they have mounted. They also serve the purpose of having the ability to become the Navy's replacement minesweeper vessels and are the planned ship to phase out the Frigates. All of that within a very shallow draft and very fast vessel with quite a stinger in its tail.

The ships also have an air wing, they can carry a chopper, a Sea King I think, correct me if I'm wrong, and a few different UAV's. So this ship also can reach out and touch you from a distance

These ships also have another advantage, they are not very crew intensive, aout forty to sixty people are needed to man it and for the Navy that is a huge boon with the budget crisis nowadays. But with all their advanced metalworking and technology as well as the sheer numbers of the ships the Navy has ordered are they a viable option for the Navy?

I personally believe so, with the threat of Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz the Navy needs a ship that can combat small attack craft in shallow water and be able to detect and dispose of mines which the Iranians have planned to and have used in the past. Along with escort potential in the form of ASW capability with helicopters and a good sonar system the Littoral Combat ship could also see a convoy of merchantmen through a contested area given enough support from aerial assets and warning from intelligence sources. That's my argument for the idea of Littoral Combat Ships, anyone have anything else to add or dispute?
Remember LCS's mission set. They're not frigates. Once this is understood, one can see the envisioned role. if the MCM module is installed, it becomes a minesweeper. If the USW module is installed it becomes a anti-submarine combatant.

All of this said, I am still critical of the basic armament of the vessel. RAM is good. MK 110 Mod 3 is a solid 57mm gun, and with the 30mm armament and missiles (if it ever gets them), it will satisfy its design specification perfectly. Problem is, we have a vessel that will end up being a monument to failure, like the HMS Hood (proud vessel, don't get me wrong), if it operates outside of it's tightly defined mission set.
 

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