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Old May 13th, 2017   #691
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IDEF 2017: STM & TKMS Signed LOI on Type 214 Submarines for Indonesian Navy

Additional info on Turkish STM/Golcuk Shipyard and German TKMS team up for Indonesian Navy 2nd batch Submarine contracts. As mentioned on previous post, besides STM-TKMS, French DCNS and South Korean DSME is also serious contender with potential Sweden SAAB.

However the article seems confirm what I heard as rumours before that the 2nd batch's just like 1st batch consist 3 Submarine. Currently the TNI-AL original Type 209 frm the 80's planned to be phased out by 2020+. This seems will be in line with the 2nd batch Subs which if on schedullewill be available on 2020+. This with the firm contract for 2nd batch need to signed this year or next at the latest.

If this on schedulle then by 2024, TNI-AL will have 6 Subs, consist of 3 DSME 209 frm 1st Batch, and 3 Subs frm 2nd Batch. Officially Mindef and TNI-AL talked 12 Subs by 2024, but unless they planned to get Subs frm other supplier that not partner with PAL (thus not build it locally), I don't see how they can get more than 6 Subs. Sourcing Subs without PAL participation will not be politically good move, considering the administration already spend substantial Investment for PAL Submarine facility.
Thus with the next TNI-AL Subs need to build locally and with PAL capacity, they at best by 2024 only can produce 2-3 Subs at max.

So if the planned for 12 Subs still on table, then it's at best can only be achieved by 2030+.
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1st of Nagapasa class delivered.

https://m.detik.com/news/berita/3582...rang-indonesia

South Korean Firm Delivers Attack Submarine to Indonesia | World Affairs Journal

After around 2 years trials in South Korean water by contractor DSME and familiarisation with it's Indonesian crew, the first Nagapasa class (DSME 209 1400) submarine being delivered to Indonesian Navy.

It's plan by end of August or early Sept the new Submarine will be inducted officialy to TNI-AL service.
The 2nd of the class KRI Trisula 404 is expected to be delivered around Q4 this year. While the 3rd KRI Nagarangsang 405, will have final assembly in PAL facility. Sechedulled to be launched in 2018, but considering the delay on PAL side, I guess 2019 is more realistic.

http://www.janes.com/article/72839/i...ntral-sulawesi

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This article frm Jane's confirming local media before that stated TNI AL plan to put newly constructed submarine based in Palu Central Sulawesi (Celebes island) as home port for some of new submarine. This made TNI AL can now based their submarines to 2 home based in Surabaya and Palu.

This shown TNI AL assertiveness to improve ASW capabilities in Eastern Islands.

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Indonesia to acquire acoustic underwater monitors with eye on possible foreign submarine incursions | Jane's 360

Frm Jane's..

This article seems related to article in local media few days ago on the plan to installed fixed underwater listening device, similar to SOSUS facilities used by western navy in the cold war era.

Awasi Kapal Selam Asing, Pemerintah Pasang Instalasi Sonar Bawah Laut - Katadata News

The local media stated TNI AL sources that saying the devices will be sources frm local industries. However not saying frm where, thus being speculated a local company already in technical cooperation with foreign firm in using proven VLF tech in developing this local SOSUS installation.

First trial will be on Sunda Strait, and then plan to be installed in several straits throughout archipelago that being used as international shipping line under ALKI jurisdiction.
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https://m.detik.com/news/berita/3582...rang-indonesia

South Korean Firm Delivers Attack Submarine to Indonesia | World Affairs Journal

After around 2 years trials in South Korean water by contractor DSME and familiarisation with it's Indonesian crew, the first Nagapasa class (DSME 209 1400) submarine being delivered to Indonesian Navy.

It's plan by end of August or early Sept the new Submarine will be inducted officialy to TNI-AL service.
The 2nd of the class KRI Trisula 404 is expected to be delivered around Q4 this year. While the 3rd KRI Nagarangsang 405, will have final assembly in PAL facility. Sechedulled to be launched in 2018, but considering the delay on PAL side, I guess 2019 is more realistic.

Indonesia to homeport newly commissioned Type 209/1400 submarine in Central Sulawesi | Jane's 360

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This article frm Jane's confirming local media before that stated TNI AL plan to put newly constructed submarine based in Palu Central Sulawesi (Celebes island) as home port for some of new submarine. This made TNI AL can now based their submarines to 2 home based in Surabaya and Palu.

This shown TNI AL assertiveness to improve ASW capabilities in Eastern Islands.
Thank you for sharing Ananda!
Here some good quality shots of KRI Nagapasa 403 in Korea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1eqxe4yuNQ
And yes, it looks much better and smoother than our old Type209/1300 boats...
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Defence Technology Review : DTR JUNE 2017, Page 1

Frm defence technology review. If what DTR sources is right, then the order for 4 Rheinmettal 35 mm Millenium Gun CIWS seems confirm local forumers speculation that the 2nd batch of 2 PKR 10514 already got approval to continue. Since one PKR 10514 only have one room for CIWS gun which in B gun possition.
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Good news for the TNI-AL if they do get a couple more, they look to be good ships; but is it possible the guns are going to be fitted to something else?
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Good news for the TNI-AL if they do get a couple more, they look to be good ships; but is it possible the guns are going to be fitted to something else?
If I read it right on that DTR article, the order comes frm Damen to Rheinmettal in behalve of PKR project. Thus the gun should only be used in PKR project as Damen with PAL is lead contractors for PKR project.
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https://youtu.be/DhRvwHMK4y4

Video on you tube on the arival of KRI Nagapasa, the first of 3 DSME 209 1400 Submarine. The journey take 15 days frm DSME facility in South Korea. The 2nd schedulle to be handed over to TNI AL by DSME as contractor next year. It's reported that PAL already working on assamble project for the 3rd Sub in their new submarine facility under supervision of DSME. The assemble work schedulle to ve completed in next year, with handing over delivery to TNI AL in 2020.

Mindef already approved on choosing Italian Black Shark heavy torpedo as this class (compared to German SUT torpedo in previous 209 Cakra class). This 209 class have capabilities for Sub SSM, but no choices being taken yet.
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PAL upbeat about completion of third sub - Wed, August 30 2017 - The Jakarta Post

https://www.pressreader.com/indonesi...81509341320905

Article from Jakarta Post. However since the complete Article in Jakarta Post is restricted to online subscriber, I also put pressreader online which provide complete article.

Basically, the article told about PT. PAL progress on assembled 3rd DSME 209-1400 class which now being called Nagapasa Class (due to some differences to ROK Chanbogo class which it derived).

My focus on one paragraph which PAL claim they are using the process in assembling the 3rd Nagapasa class as preparation for the 4th, 5th, and 6th Submarines.

This seems indicating the 2nd batch of 3 subs will be using same design with Nagapasa class. Which is logical considering the level of technology that need to prepare will be considerable, if they choose to build another design.

Nagapasa it self, eventough in 209 frame, bur reportedly uses many tech that also being used in 214.

Still with they are also talking with SAAB, DCNS, Turkish Golcuk (which collaborate with TKMS), potential other design for 4th - 6th subs still there. However if they aimed on timing and cost effectiveness, they shouls stay with DSME 209-1400/Nagapasa design.
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Indonesian Navy outlines specifications for seventh LPD | Jane's 360

This talk on 7th LPD, seems coincide with previous rumours that the 6th LPD now being build in PAL will be the last 2nd batch Makasar class LPD family. The first batch is the 3 LPD (including one that converted to Hospital ships) build in South Korea by Daesun. The 2nd batch in 3 LPD build un PAL under slightly modified design (including the 6th one still under construction), known as Banjarmasin class. Philipine Navy multipurpose vessels follow this batch specification with slight differentiate

Thus this 7th LPD rumoured to be part of 3rd batch, which PAL says going to ve more complex and more capable. The price tag itself seems shown close to twice price of Banjarmasin class.
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Indonesian Navy outlines specifications for seventh LPD | Jane's 360

This talk on 7th LPD, seems coincide with previous rumours that the 6th LPD now being build in PAL will be the last 2nd batch Makasar class LPD family. The first batch is the 3 LPD (including one that converted to Hospital ships) build in South Korea by Daesun. The 2nd batch in 3 LPD build un PAL under slightly modified design (including the 6th one still under construction), known as Banjarmasin class. Philipine Navy multipurpose vessels follow this batch specification with slight differentiate

Thus this 7th LPD rumoured to be part of 3rd batch, which PAL says going to ve more complex and more capable. The price tag itself seems shown close to twice price of Banjarmasin class.
Thank you for sharing Ananda! Nice to know that more of these great ships will follow, so while the sixth ship will be the same as 592 and 593, the 7th will be "more complex" and with a price of $72 million almost twice as the others. It will be constructed as a command ship, from which I understand, but I'm afraid that it will be armed with some second hand manually operated guns, like all the others. With other words, without a decent CIWS, and thus totally defenceless against anti-ship missiles. One of these seaskimmers, and such a great ship with hundreds of marines onboard gone....
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