This is a discussion on Indonesia: 'green water navy' within the Navy & Maritime forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by pasukangeraktjepat
I don't see it being optimistic Gf, i heard that it was a very very minimum ...
I don't see it being optimistic Gf, i heard that it was a very very minimum force that we must have, first the navy want to have around 190 warships, to secure indonesian ocean.But our goverment can't afford, so they ask for around 171 warships, still our govt can't afford.So after a long debate that was left for our navy.
my comment relates to optimism in light of the existing and available budget. you need money to do those things - and you've already agreed with some of us on a paucity of monies to cover off even existing essential capabilities.
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"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
Indonesian military have a considerable level of "rogueness". I think some of u have heard about an Indonesian F-5s intercepted and harassed an Australian transport flight. of course, the first thing australia did is point a finger at the indonesian top military brass. but later it was find out that the intercept was authorized by a regional commander, who i guess, eager to show off his troops.
thats a really small navy considering they have over 5000 islands to secure... funny... 2 months ago they want to pick a fight with malaysia....
in reality it's more like an attempt by the government to divert people attentions from internal problems. it happen closely after indonesian government decide to stop subsidizing fuel, which obviously trigger a riot.
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Last edited by gf0012-aust; July 7th, 2005 at 03:37 AM.
Well in Soeharto era maybe we have a bad-history dealing with the separatist movement.In dealing with the separatist our govt. try to separate the separatist from the common people.There was a theory that some of army intelligence officer made a 'separatist-movement wannabe' or 'pseudo-separatist movement' that make a cruel action to the common people in Aceh and Papua (killing,raping,etc).So the army could get a symphaty from the common people in the battle again the separatist.But this only make a common-people in Aceh and West Papua suffer so much.
I read some years ago in Kompas, indonesia newspaper, the TNI oficer got this strategy from their training in USA.
Nowadays we try to solve this separatist problem with a negosiation.
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Why does Indonesia need a large navy? Whom she is going to fight ? China ,India,MalayAsia or the US.
Actually Indonesia does not need a large number of frigates and destroyers. It needs long range advanced patrol crafts ( in large numbers ) , helicopter carriers and long range survillance aircrafts . All these for protection of its vital sea routes from illegal traffic, piracy and illegal weapon's trade.
It has got numerous islands which needs to be protected from separists ( or freedom fighters ) . So a considerable number of landing crafts are also required for troop transportation .
Actually I do not see any immediate threat to the nation so it is useless for her to drain its resources by building a ' show piece ' navy .
Helicopter carriers would make an interesting addition to the Indonesian Navy. I mentioned it in an earlier post. Something along the lines of what Australia is looking at would allow for great flexibility.
nice preview, if we let go the fact that indonesia can't even properly maintain it's current assets. why, they can't even arm their 2 SU-30s. But from the news, i see a light in a future. But i bet that Singapore or Malaysia will acquire the LHD before indonesia.
But i bet that Singapore or Malaysia will acquire the LHD before indonesia.
Now there's a possibility.... I just see such a ship has having a bit more utility for the Indonesians than it would for its neighbours. I'm thinking of an LHD in Indonesian service to be used in a plethora of roles. Whether it's used to aid in domestic security (inherent amphibious capability) , patrolling pirate infested waters, providing humanitarian aid en masse and yes, even power projection it would have to be considered be a desirable asset.
With decent command and control facilities it would be a force multiplier for whatever role its used in. I can imagine it being used as a floating sea base for patrol vessels and helos patrolling vital shipping lanes in order to curb piracy.