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Indian Navy (IN) News and Discussion

This is a discussion on Indian Navy (IN) News and Discussion within the Navy & Maritime forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; well here is another interesting news article on the scorpene,akula and the atv. http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmor...+Navy&id=79207...


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Old September 25th, 2005   #76
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well here is another interesting news article on the scorpene,akula and the atv.

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmor...+Navy&id=79207
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seems the scorpene deal is yet to be signed:

India, France to sign Scorpene sub deal on Oct.6



New Delhi, Sep 27.(PTI): A high-level French team is arriving here next week to ink the USD 3 billion (RS 13,000 Crore) deal for India's acquisition of six Scorpene submarines and also to hold parleys on the offer of transfer of nuclear technology for peaceful uses.

The delegation, which would include officials and members of the DCN-International, the manufacturers of Scorpene, will hold talks with the officials of the Defence Ministry and Navy to finalise the final delivery schedule of the subs and to further strengthen strategic ties between the two countries.

The Scorpene deal would be signed on October six by Defence Secretary Shekhar Dutt and officials of the French company in the presence of top officials from both the sides, according to highly placed Defence Ministry sources.

Under the announcement made jointly by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and French President Jacques Chirac in Paris on September 12, the six Scorpene Submarines are to be manufactured at Mazagoan Docks in Mumbai under full technology transfer.

Though the delivery schedule has not been made public, according to highly placed sources the first of the submarines would roll out by 2009 and the remaining five by 2015. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus...~deal~on~Oct.6

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New success for Scorpene


Following sales to Chile and Malaysia, India has announced that it will acquire six DCN-designed Scorpene submarines. This new success further confirms the product’s international appeal.
Paris, 12 September 2005


An international industrial cooperation project

Indian Prime Minister Manoham Singh and chairman of India's Cabinet Committee on Security, today confirmed to French President Jacques Chirac his country's decision to acquire six Franco-Spanish Scorpene submarines. All six boats will be built entirely in India by Mumbai-based Mazagon Dock Limited.

DCN is the industrial prime contractor for Scorpene submarines in partnership with Spanish naval shipbuilder Navantia, the two companies sharing industrial responsibility for this ambitious project. DCN will be in charge of the technology transfer and delivery of all services and equipment. Armaris and DCN/Thales subsidiary UDS International will supply the combat systems.

The project is expected to take some 15 years to complete.

Commenting on the sale, DCN Chairman and CEO Jean-Marie Poimbœuf said: "This sale is a mark of recognition of DCN's know-how in international industrial partnerships to deliver strategic systems and technology transfers. It also makes Scorpene the new benchmark for submarine fleets the world over."

Scorpene: Proven DCN know-how in conventional submarines

This DCN-designed product line represents the state of the art in conventional submarine design and construction. It benefits from the latest technologies developed for French Navy classes, particularly as regards acoustic discretion and combat system performance. The modular Scorpene design can be readily tailored to each client navy's specific needs. Built-in interoperability also ensures compatibility with a wide range of customer-specified combat and weapon systems.

This brings the number of Scorpene submarines sold on the international market to ten. The first-of-type O'Higgins was handed over to the Chilean Navy on 9 September 2005 at a ceremony attended by Chilean Defence Minister Jaime Ravinet.

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THALES press release

Success for Thales in India on Scorpene submarine programme

Neuilly-sur-Seine, France, 12 Sep 2005

The Indian government has chosen Armaris, a joint venture between Thales and DCN, as prime contractor for the technology transfer programme under which six conventionally propelled Scorpène submarines will be built in India.

For Thales, the contract is worth nearly € 600 million.

As well as assuming prime contracting responsibilities through Armaris and providing assistance to the Indian shipbuilder Mazagon Dock Limited, Thales will supply key subsystems for the submarines' six SUBTICS® integrated combat systems, including underwater sensors, communications and optronics, and electronic warfare equipment.

The Thales Group welcomes the Indian government's decision, which signals a strengthening of the long-standing cooperation that has existed between India and France.

Denis Ranque, Thales Chairman and CEO added, "I am particularly proud of this success in India, brought about by the Armaris branch. This is the second submarine programme, after Malaysia, to which Thales contributes both technological and commercial expertise, thanks to the excellence of its international network."

Thales in India
Thales has been active in India for more than 50 years. The Group enjoys a strong cooperative relationship with the Indian armed forces and has provided equipment, systems and support for numerous platforms in service with the country's land, air and naval forces. Thales also has a strong presence in civil aviation (particularly as an equipment supplier for the Airbus airliners in service with Air India and Indian Airlines), and in the air navigation sector. Thales electronic fare collection systems have also been selected for the Delhi and Calcutta metros. As part of its multidomestic strategy, Thales recently expanded its local presence in India, setting up a new company in New Delhi in 2003. The new company, Thales International India, offers a range of IT and support services for local civil and military programmes.

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http://www.armarisgroup.com/uk/pdf/scorpindia_uk.pdf
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A point of interest, can the Scorpions launch PJ-10 missiles, or would they need retrofitting for that??
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A point of interest, can the Scorpions launch PJ-10 missiles, or would they need retrofitting for that??
I don't think it can. there are fitment and hardware issues. Francois might have a better idea.

on top of that, any redesign of fitments for Brahmos and Scorpene would delay the build even longer. Thats why Exocet is being fitted.
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Is it because the PJ-10 missile requires a vertical launching system platform, I guess like you said neither the Scorpion nor Kilo can accommodate it without substantial modifications



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Is it because the PJ-10 missile requires a vertical launching system platform, I guess like you said neither the Scorpion nor Kilo can accommodate it without substantial modifications
It has to do with missile diameter and torpedo tube diameter. Club familiy can fit into 533mm tubes for regular heavyweight torpedos. PJ 10 can't and would probably require 650mm torpedo tubes, like the ones made by the Russians. These are not standard on most submarines.
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Some information about Amur / Lada for Indian Navvy
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France sold India 36 Exocet with 6 Scorpen.
Bat it said, that new weapon system can be integrate in sub after constraction 2 Sub.
Why such many Exocet is?
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Bat it said, that new weapon system can be integrate in sub after constraction 2 Sub.
Unless you want to completely redesign the nose of that sub and upset the entire enineering and acoustic balance - you won't be putting Brahmos inside a Scorpene. can't be done unless you have major surgery. And I seriously doubt that the IndGov let alone the IndNav will allow that.

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6 reloads each. I'd say that its an interim order only and that 6 is not enough (but perfectly adequate for peacetime stocks)
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INS Vikrant (Building)
In April 2005 India began building its first indigenously designed aircraft carrier, the INS Virkant, in the Cochin naval shipyards. The vessel is being built to the final Air Defense Ship (ADS) design set forth by the India Navy's Directorate of Naval Design (DND) for the last several years. The keel laying is scheduled late in the year. The ship is expected to enter service in 2012 when it will join the INS Vikramaditya, which will have replaced the INS Viraat in 2010.

A second carrier of this class is expected to be built and delivered in 2018 to join the new Virkant and the Vikramaditya. At that time, the Indian Navy will have three large, modern carriers.

INS Vikrant first indigenously designed aircraft carrier

SPECIFICATIONS

Length: 830 ft
Width: 190 ft
Beam: 116 ft
Displacement: 40,000 tons
Propulsion: 4 LM 2500 gas turbines,
2 shafts
Speed: 28 knots
Crew: 1,600
Airwing: 30 Fixed, rotary
Armament:
- 2 X 16 VLS SAM
- 4 X 76mm guns
Elevators: 2
Ships in class: 1

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INS Vikrant (Building)
In April 2005 India began building its first indigenously designed aircraft carrier, the INS Virkant, in the Cochin naval shipyards. The vessel is being built to the final Air Defense Ship (ADS) design set forth by the India Navy's Directorate of Naval Design (DND) for the last several years. The keel laying is scheduled late in the year. The ship is expected to enter service in 2012 when it will join the INS Vikramaditya, which will have replaced the INS Viraat in 2010.

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Elevators: 2
Ships in class: 1
the indian carriers are based in design on the italian cavour class and italy is acting as the consultant.
by the way does anyone know what sam's will it carry(aster or russian ones)and also what is the carriers range?
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Im persuming their is going to be 3 carriers of the ADS class be built, the first being 40K tonnes, any chance the later 2 being of much large displacments i.e. 70k-100k tonnes.
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Im persuming their is going to be 3 carriers of the ADS class be built, the first being 40K tonnes, any chance the later 2 being of much large displacments i.e. 70k-100k tonnes.
yes three carriers of ads class will be built.so india will have 4 carriers(including gorshkov).
though the csl has capacity to build ships of 100000 tons displacement ,i dont think the ads will be of 100000 tons displacement since it will require redesign and can result in further delays,also indian naval bases as of now do not have the capacity to berth such heavy displacement vessels.
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also indian naval bases as of now do not have the capacity to berth such heavy displacement vessels.
well, someone needs to get their civil construction act together - otherwise you'll have 3 carriers doing double duty as sea bases.
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I would imagine the naval base Karwar, which is the largest in asia would be able to accomodate large ships
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