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Indian Navy charts new course with first doctrine

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Old April 26th, 2004   #1
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Indian Navy charts new course with first doctrine

NEW DELHI, APRIL 25: The Indian Navy has published its first ever maritime doctrine that lays down a road map for development of the country’s sea power in the new millennium. The doctrine will be unveiled at the Naval Commanders’ Conference that begins at Visakhapatnam on Monday morning.

Significantly, the 148-page report, which comes weeks after the Indian Army released its new doctrine, moves away from earlier concepts of coastal protection and instead adopts new concepts of power-projection and littoral warfare to support land forces in operating in enemy territory. While several maritime strategies have been published by Naval headquarters earlier, this is the first time that an Indian Maritime Doctrine has been published and clearly spells out the need for a navy that is capable of conducting operations far from its shores.

The doctrine also notes developments in the immediate neighbourhood in the context of India’s maritime plans. The Chinese Navy, it says, ‘‘has acquired decommissioned aircraft carriers from Australia and Russia to study their construction details and evolve an indigenous design for a carrier by 2015’’. The Chinese Navy will now move from being a coastal navy to ‘‘an ocean-going one’’ and has plans to configure its force levels around ‘‘two carrier groups’’.

In its focus on Pakistan, it points out that Islamabad has contracted a $1 billion deal with France for Agosta 90B submarines, makes a note of its non-NATO ally status and projects a ‘‘quantum increase in its naval capability’’.

In addition to the long-established threat on the Western Seaboard, the Indian Navy underlines the strategic requirement to look East as well. The Singapore Navy, it says, has already acquired submarines and two Malaysian ones are under construction in European shipyards, while Thailand and Myanmar are negotiating to induct them too.

Power projection, the doctrine says, can take a number of forms such as ‘‘combatant evacuation, amphibious operations, maritime air support, strikes ashore and land attack’’.

With India having signed a contract with Russia to acquire the 44,000-tonne aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, with its complement of MiG-29K aircraft, the doctrine points out the need for a Carrier Battle Group as an instrument of sea control as well as sea denial.

The doctrine moves away from earlier strategies where the Navy was inward looking and now even looks at developing capabilities to deal with ‘‘conflict with an extra-regional power’’ and ‘‘protecting Persons of Indian Origin and Indian interests abroad’’.

The document also talks of military missions, including providing ‘‘conventional and strategic nuclear deterrence against regional states’’, as well as diplomatic missions to ‘‘enable the Government to use the Navy as an effective instrument of foreign policy”.
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Hey guys i like this Indian Navy's multi threat thinking it shows that the indian navy is serious in defense
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Indianguy, please remember to post links on news articles.

also can you find out whether there is an unclassified version of the report available?

Governments normally release 2 versions of a "white paper", 1 is internal and not for public release, the other is for the general public and to keep the media happy.

If you could tell me if there is a link avail for a public release version it would be much appreciated.
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Here you go GF. I just put a casual search query and all the main indian newspapers are reporting it. This is one of the links.
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_st...ntent_id=45789

Just so that you know, Indian Express has a tremendous reliability factor behind it compared to HINDUSTAN TIMES or TIMES OF INDIA.
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Thanks for that Soldier.. I haven't read the Hindustani, but I have read the Times of India when I was in Mumbai - lots of adverts.

If you can let me know if you see the full report, I would be interested in reading it. (I assume that they will make an unclassified version available).

Why china even bothered to look at our old aircraft carrier is beyond me. The design was relevant to less powerful aircraft and a different battle doctrine. You could get some ideas on bunkerage etc, and it might have some relevance in designing an LHA - but in real terms it was just 20,000 tonnes of scrap metal.

The Varyag doesn't look much better, it's almost semi-derelict. According to one contact I have he says that China is building a 48,000 tonne carrier at the same time that they are stripping the Varyag. I haven't seen any ships being built next to the Varyag though.
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Thanks for that Soldier.. I haven't read the Hindustani, but I have read the Times of India when I was in Mumbai - lots of adverts.

If you can let me know if you see the full report, I would be interested in reading it. (I assume that they will make an unclassified version available).

Why china even bothered to look at our old aircraft carrier is beyond me. The design was relevant to less powerful aircraft and a different battle doctrine. You could get some ideas on bunkerage etc, and it might have some relevance in designing an LHA - but in real terms it was just 20,000 tonnes of scrap metal.

The Varyag doesn't look much better, it's almost semi-derelict. According to one contact I have he says that China is building a 48,000 tonne carrier at the same time that they are stripping the Varyag. I haven't seen any ships being built next to the Varyag though.
GF, with the booming economy like China and India, I think it made perfect sense for China to buy a scrap too from Australia, if that is how you put it. At least it gives an insight to building AC's from the very basic. China has money flowing and I guess starting from basics is the best approach to the end product.
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India , is being neglecting Navy for decades ,. but its now time to Increase ther Production Line. India is investing heavy on its Nuclear Submarine Project . moreover Two AC is on the way in next 10 years.

IN should make its own Small Air Force to take Surface warhsips of enemy in Matter of mins

Their is aslo reports that India is going to Buy British AC , which is going to be decommissioned.
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India , is being neglecting Navy for decades ,. but its now time to Increase ther Production Line. India is investing heavy on its Nuclear Submarine Project . moreover Two AC is on the way in next 10 years.

IN should make its own Small Air Force to take Surface warhsips of enemy in Matter of mins

Their is aslo reports that India is going to Buy British AC , which is going to be decommissioned.

It means India will eventually have 3 ACs!
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Thanks for that Soldier.. I haven't read the Hindustani, but I have read the Times of India when I was in Mumbai - lots of adverts.

If you can let me know if you see the full report, I would be interested in reading it. (I assume that they will make an unclassified version available).

Why china even bothered to look at our old aircraft carrier is beyond me. The design was relevant to less powerful aircraft and a different battle doctrine. You could get some ideas on bunkerage etc, and it might have some relevance in designing an LHA - but in real terms it was just 20,000 tonnes of scrap metal.

The Varyag doesn't look much better, it's almost semi-derelict. According to one contact I have he says that China is building a 48,000 tonne carrier at the same time that they are stripping the Varyag. I haven't seen any ships being built next to the Varyag though.
Well Gary, we maybe overlooking the prospect of revese engineering with major improvements.The Chinese specialise in this art.
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Yea chinese don;t have any brains to invent something new .so they opt for reverse engg. So they will always remain behind then others in matter od technology becasue , when they build their system by using resverse engg that technology become obsolete. like Chinese making F-16 and US phrasing out F-16.

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Yea chinese don;t have any brains to invent something new .so they opt for reverse engg. So they will always remain behind then others in matter od technology becasue , when they build their system by using resverse engg that technology become obsolete. like Chinese making F-16 and US phrasing out F-16
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Well Yea i prefer , Thats brians will be genious, who Made something new and move farward and become a leader rather then who follow them and beomce follower and adopt old technology when other moving towards new one.

Thats why US Ahead then other in Tech becasue they made something new rather then they copy others.

Like wise US Senctions againt India didn;t work , India Space Programm and Nuclear Programm become more stronger and independent and that why India takes its Own decisions in foreign policy rather then taking decision under some other influence. Like Sending Trrops to Iraq.

Having R&D and Strong Scientific base is a key to succes and those who don;t have R&D facility will depends on others. Like Gulf States depends on US for their defence Systems.
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Yes Gulf States lack the technological R & D base but hey, they dont have a problem with finances like India or Pakistan!! They have oil and their massive investments abroad to work for them perfectly. China is also struggling with finances and so it finds it more economical to look in to what others have made and then learn from that and create something more sophisticated. May I tell you that the US and other countries are more cautious about selling their equipment to China because of its reverse engineering speciality than they are in selling stuff to countries like India or Pakistan? They know that it will take far more years of head banging in India and Pakistan to make something like what the Americans can make but China would come up with it in a matter of couple of years. Reverse engineering is a rare speciality and I can proudly salute the Chinese for that.
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Well Yea i prefer , Thats brians will be genious, who Made something new and move farward and become a leader rather then who follow them and beomce follower and adopt old technology when other moving towards new one.

Thats why US Ahead then other in Tech becasue they made something new rather then they copy others.

Like wise US Senctions againt India didn;t work , India Space Programm and Nuclear Programm become more stronger and independent and that why India takes its Own decisions in foreign policy rather then taking decision under some other influence. Like Sending Trrops to Iraq.

Having R&D and Strong Scientific base is a key to succes and those who don;t have R&D facility will depends on others. Like Gulf States depends on US for their defence Systems.

being "genius" does not mean you will make something new this is where the South Asian countries fall back on there backs, they are so obsessed with what a student got for his A level and Gcse's and his university grades. you guys miss out this bigg obvious fact that when you look at an american defence equipment its not based on precise Physical or Mathematical base it is is based on a concept an idea some comes from the need factor as they say "necessity is the mother of inventions". so all the american defence equipments have a strong creative/Artistic element in it which it embodies as a concpet. Maths and physics comes inn later how can you calculate design spec's when the idea does not exsist. therefore you have JF-17 and LCA J-10 or what ever this is what SAsian countries get when they have no creative input they just become a Mind numbing number crunching photo copiers. the Ability to perform good in maths and physics is secondary to Creativity which is a rare gift not every one can use it properly and some obviously choose to ignore it!! Now don't come back and tell me (INdian guy) that your LCA project has now suddenly been gifted with artictic people creating artistic fetures becasue when i see an LCA or J-17 I see a basic copy with minute diference but when i see a B-2 F-16(VERY OLD TREnD SETTER) and the JSF F-35 i see the artistic flare in the eyes of its creators.


You think of an idea, then draw it up and then tweek it with Maths geniuses !@!!!

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"Reverse engineering is a rare speciality and I can proudly salute the Chinese for that. "

it is rare becasue its an art in its self. for some engineers it is a rush to see whats underneeth all the pritty Face. like when you see a Ferari you always wan't to see whats under the hood(the engine). mostly people that can't design new things like to work backwords they find it more supportive its like this when you sit on your table thinking creatvily banging you head againt the table its like trying to grab thoughts that do not exsist in reality. with a Reverse engineer you have the item on your desktop waiting to be ripped appart systimatically piece by piece. there are courses that you can do at uni i think that equip you with necessary skill to reverse engineer stuff!!!
Firstly you have to be equiped with more and better knowledge then the items desinger. becaue you have to compensate for that fact that out of the one million ways of desinging the item the designer chose a paticular way. the odds are one in million ways it will work. thats why all reverse engineers do not come up with the exact copies of the orignal item and sometimes they end up haveing a superior item.
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Howcome yaar ..If you know US don;t provide India with HI tech Equiplemt and dual use Items which is easil avalable to chinese. American really fear of Indian rather the chinese thats why India is still under a ban on dual use items since pokhran test which Held under the very nose of US.

CI even Achnoledge that it is failed on Indian nuke and it is filed to penetrate Indian Nukes,.

The reason is that Increasing Indian SPace Power is going to Threat to the US space launching Industry , Since Launching will b cheap from Indian Rocket . US put ban on US made component statelites to be launched from China , which can;t be done with India easily.

US pressured Russia not seel cryogenic engines for space rockets which lead India to develop its own.

Well Sections is come Boon in desguise to India which helps in aciving Indgnisation and help our R&D Facility

Chine is not goin to seel any equiplmemt to India.

Infact China don;t have any problem with finances , Its 400 & billion in it reserve.

Well Oil deconomy is soon going to be replaced by Hydrogen Economy in next 20 years , Hydrogen fuel cell car prototype already out and soo to in mass production.

so you see when Westrean and other country is moving towards cheap hydrogen economy china is still struggling with Oil
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