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Old November 28th, 2008   #76
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And it certainly looks bigger - dimension wise than the 'orange' painted Ra'ad that was tested from a Mirage, doesn't it?

Btw, the gallery links in your post are not working. Would appreciate if you can send me the 'actual' links. Thanks
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Brazil to Sell MAR-1 SEAD Missiles to Pakistan

“Anti-radiation missiles” are designed to find, home in on, and destroy enemy air defense radars; they are often carried by specialist aircraft that accompany air strikes to perform the SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) mission.

In December 2008, Brazil’s government approved a $108 million April 2008 contract with Pakistan for 100 of Mectron’s MAR-1 anti-radiation missiles. DID sources add that the deal needed the Brazilian government’s loan guarantee to become effective.

In contrast with other Mectron Engenharia missiles, such as the MAA-1 SRAAM or the forthcoming A-Darter partnership, Mectron appears to be working hard to avoid publicity for the MAR-1. The firm would not even acknowledge the missile’s existence for many years, and details remain sketchy.

Pictures like this one show a MAR-1 that appears to be similar in size to counterparts like Raytheon’s AGM-88 HARM, and has a reported range of 25 km when launched from an altitude of about 33,000 feet/ 10 km.

Testing appears to have ended, and it will equip Brazil’s upgraded AMX and F-5BR aircraft once it is accepted into service.

... Brazil needs export customers in order to achieve its national goal of re-building its defense industries. Jobim has been quoted as saying that the deal will allow Mectron to increase its production from 1 missile per month to 5 missiles.

A sale to Pakistan, followed by integration into a platform like the Pakistani-Chinese JF-17 lightweight fighter, could also open up a number of new markets for Mectron.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...akistan-05182/


Looks like, slow but atleast steady progress is being made towards acquisition of better equipment by Pakistan afterall.
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Usa accuses Pakistan of modifing maritime anti-ship defensive capability to an offensive land-attack missile.
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan in US missile refit row
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Usa accuses Pakistan of modifing maritime anti-ship defensive capability to an offensive land-attack missile.
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan in US missile refit row
As usual when U.S. Congress is to sit and decide on Kerry-Luger Bill ($7.5billion for the next 5 years aid to Pakistan), the New York Times and David Sanger join forces to malign Pakistan based on its weapons program in order derail the bill.

Pakistan already has Harpoon-II missiles capable of land-attack in quite a number. Why would they modify vintage Harpoon-I for to do so, and that with a conventional warhead? Plus, it is not the requirement. There are more advance weapons with Pakistan, including a naval cruise missile (Babue) under testing as well as air launched Ra'ad.
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Guys i have gone through various news articles regarding pakistan reverse engineering american ship based defence missile into offensive missile.Which missile did these news relate to in pakistan's inventory.Is it Raad
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Guys i have gone through various news articles regarding pakistan reverse engineering american ship based defence missile into offensive missile.Which missile did these news relate to in pakistan's inventory.Is it Raad
They are talking of Harpoon-I.

Ra'ad is completely indigenous.
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They are talking of Harpoon-I.

Ra'ad is completely indigenous.
Yeah i know harpoon-1 is that ship based defencive missile,but what i want to know is the name of that missile which America claims ,Pakistan has reverse engineered.No proof to that, but i would like to know whcih missile is that,coz in the article it says that this would cause great threat to India.
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Yeah i know harpoon-1 is that ship based defencive missile,but what i want to know is the name of that missile which America claims ,Pakistan has reverse engineered.No proof to that, but i would like to know whcih missile is that,coz in the article it says that this would cause great threat to India.
No name since Pakistan has not claimed any test of a naval missile.
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"The accusation comes at a particularly delicate time" The question came up in June! This article comes at a particularly delicate time Below is another quote from Sanger's article.
(" Robert Hewson, editor of Jane’s Air-Launched Weapons, a yearbook and Web-based data service, said the Harpoon missile did not have the necessary range for a land-attack missile,“They’re beyond the need to reverse-engineer old U.S. kit,” Mr. Hewson said in a telephone interview. “They’re more sophisticated than that.” Mr. Hewson said the ship-to-shore missile that Pakistan was testing was part of a concerted effort to develop an array of conventional missiles that could be fired from the air, land or sea to address India’s much more formidable conventional missile arsenal. )
This is only factual thing with in the article. I have ached a link to the NY times

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/wo...30missile.html

Very few people I know regard David Sanger as a non bias news source.

PS be careful of news articles that base there story on another news source. It relinquishes all responsibility.Hence credibility.

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Very few people I know regard David Sanger as a bias news source.
Many people I know regard David Sanger as a bias source. In fact most people I know even regard The New York Times as bias and non credible source.

That reminds me, see the movie Dr. Strangelove - how one rumor from the New York Times forces Soviets into making a doomsday machine. Most of things happening in the movie are based on real time attitudes of U.S. institutions.
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I forgot the Non in non bias. Thats embarrassing .
I hate to say most news sources here in the US are not credible. Over time anonymity has take precedence to accountability. Quoting out of context has become regular practice . Thing are starting to change , The New York Times Company has been bleeding about ten million a month for the past few years. I don't see that changing, The media did all thy could to help elect Obama in hopes for a bail out and so far he has hung them out to dry. Thats why we've seen so much unfavorable media here about him.
I didn't know that Dr.Strange love was based on real time attitudes. You are dating your self SABRE
I would be very surprised if Congress did not vote in favor of this bill. It would be a sound investment and a good step for the US. We'll see.
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I forgot the Non in non bias. Thats embarrassing .
That is ok. You can always edit it - which you have.

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Well, at least that is what the makers attempted to do. They got much of it right. But back than the USAF promised the makers and viewers that what ever is in the film they'll make sure it does not happen.

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I would be very surprised if Congress did not vote in favor of this bill. It would be a sound investment and a good step for the US. We'll see.
I would be surprised if they don't put conditions on it, if they pass it. If they do they loose what ever respect they have amongst Pakistanis, which is next to zero. If they don't put conditions, they won't be loosing any respect but won't be getting any either. U.S has lots of ground to cover amongst the ordinary Pakistani.
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I would be surprised if they don't put conditions on it, if they pass it. If they do they loose what ever respect they have amongst Pakistanis, which is next to zero. If they don't put conditions, they won't be loosing any respect but won't be getting any either. U.S has lots of ground to cover amongst the ordinary Pakistani.


I as an American an sorry to hear that, One can always hope that things may change. Hopefully for the better.
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Pak Harpoons

The (Pakistan) government has responded with an agreement in principle for mutually agreed inspections,’ US Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs P.J. Crowley told reporters. Pakistan has now agreed to let the US inspect the suspect Harpoon missiles.
DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Pakistan allows US to inspect Harpoons

I think if Pakistan really did modify the harpoons, they did so because they know they really have alot of offensive weapons to fight India on the water, but they could always use more land strike
weapons, especially with the range, accuracy and reliability of harpoon. They have 3x versions of Harpoon, 3x versions of Exocet and C-802 eagle strike which they also produce. The NYT
article also accuses Pakistan of modifying some of their P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft.


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I don't buy the modified Harpoon story especially considering the source. For so many reasons. I will start with range 75 nmi is marginal at best ,Accuracy is questionable over land also.The best it can do in surface to surface is large ships so unless you are targeting a stadium it would be nothing more than a terror wepon. Then add to that the fact Pakistan has Babur cruise missiles capable of ranges around 435 mi with much better accuracy.

Then there is the story itself I quote from Defence Talk News "According to the report, US intelligence agencies detected on April 23 a suspicious missile test that appeared to indicate that Pakistan had a new offensive weapon". To go from detecting a new offensive weapon to it being a modified Harpoon is a stretch even for the US "Intelligence" community. Everything I have read revolves around The NY Times and this one article. Even statements by Pakistan officials are denials of what the Times printed and nothing more. I think its piss poor reporting with no clear source (Government Official is a very broad description) with a clear agenda nothing new for the NY Times and all papers owned by them.

Not one other news source has contributed to this story other than quoting the article. I find it hard to believe Eric Schmitt and David Sanger are the only two reporters with sources that have information regarding this subject. There for if no one else is writing about it there is no story

Thats just one way to look at it.

PS two quotes from the article you posted.

"Pakistan has rejected the report as ‘totally inaccurate’, urging the US media to focus on helping Pakistan to fight the common enemy of terrorism instead of making false allegations. "

Clearly this is directed at the NY Times and not allegation from the US government that the paper had claimed.

"We take these allegations very seriously. We have engaged the government of Pakistan at the highest levels,"

This doesn't sound like a statement you would expect from a government that was feverishly trying to get Pakistan to permit them inspections. As the article implied does it?
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