Indian Nuclear & Missile Development, News & Discussions
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Ahem! On this forum it is not that easy to copy, paste casually crafted news reports ...
Ahem! On this forum it is not that easy to copy, paste casually crafted news reports from journalists who are not that familiar with defense systems, and get away with it without supporting what has been claimed.
BMD system superior to PAC-3? How? Where are the specs? The comparison? What structural & system improvements does this BMD have over PAC-3 or the Israeli Arrow [probably the inspiration behind this 'Indian' system]? Please DO clarify.
Ahem...that is a direct quote from DRDO official, not imagination of a journalist. There is never going to be any compoarative trials nor will you know anything from the specs. It is the whole system which counts.
In any case the official clearly said superiority wrt Range and altitude.
India will have its own missile defence shield ready in three years, a development that will mark a big leap in securing the country's high value assets and major cities like Delhi and Mumbai.
The two-layered Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system to cope with both threats from ballistic missiles as well as terrain-hugging cruise missile could be ready by 2010.
This assurance came from the country's top missile scientist V K Saraswat in the backdrop of Pakistan building up an arsenal of missiles which would give India hardly a 3-4 minute reaction time.
"An integrated test trial of the interceptor missile and its sub-systems would be conducted in June next year," Saraswat told newspersons on the recent successful test trials of the Advanced Air Defence (AAD) missiles in endo-atmospheric mode.
He said three to four more flight trials of the AAD and another four trials of exo-atmospheric missiles were required before declaring the system as "operational".
The missile scientist said the AAD system could also be configured to take care of threats from terrain-hugging cruise missiles.
Asked when BMD could be mass produced to cover the whole nation, Saraswat said that within weeks of the system being validated the production lines would be ready to roll out the system in bulk.
He said there was a "substantial" private sector participation in the BMD development programme.
On the June test, Saraswat said a system was being developed to fire two missiles simultaneously at a single target to intercept it both in exo- and endo-atmospheric zones.
The new system, to be ready by 2010, would be capable of protection against existing threats to the country but "we are developing a system for Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile interception, which could take upto seven years.
He said the country's indigenous AAD system would get a filip when India gets more AWACS, AEW and dedicated satellite-based tracking radars.
While affirming that the country would go ahead with developing its indigenous BMD system, DRDO officials said New Delhi was "keen and looking at" similar systems being offered by the US, Israel and Russia.
"The system has been configured with radars for long range surveillance and tracking, command, control and communication systems for effective control and optimisation of exo- and endo-atmospheric interceptors at altitudes above 40 km and below 25 km respectively," Saraswat said.
To have a dedicated system with as Mr. Saraswat said "AWACS, AEW and dedicated satellite-based tracking radars", might take a lil bit longer than 3 years.
The ICBM shield by 7 years, so this will become another regular project in DRDO.
How on earth can one be sure of coping with
"both threats from ballistic missiles as well as terrain-hugging cruise missile"
As i see it the terrain hugging cruise missile can avoid (to some degree) ground based early warning systems, and might have a low RCS. They must have included the air based early warning systems in the equation.
Indian bull-No flame war. Missile was made by DRDO. DRDO gave launcher contract to L and T. L and T begged for it!! Now go and read some credible news reports!!
Brother i am not flaming anything but i was killed in cold blood by these guys. EVERYTHING HERE IS BIASED.
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Indian bull-No flame war. Missile was made by DRDO. DRDO gave launcher contract to L and T. L and T begged for it!! Now go and read some credible news reports!!
What you are calling as 'Bias' is what we call "Quality Control" that is to have quality members - the league to which you do not belong.
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New Delhi, Jan 08: India today announced scrapping of the country`s strategic integrated guided missile programme, and said the development and production of most of futuristic weapons systems would henceforth be undertaken with foreign collobration.
However, longer range missiles, under-sea launched missiles and furturistic weapons systems like electronic counter-warfare measures would be "undertaken in-house", said one of the country`s top defence scientists Dr S Prahlada.
He said "closure" of the Integrated Development of Guided Missile Programme(IDGMP) had been done as manufacture of the most of the missiles to be developed under the project had been almost completed and inducted into the armed forces.
"Unlike post-Pokhran, when doors to technology transfers were closed on us", now doors of frontline armament technology transfer are now open", he said.
"New missile and weapons systems will be developed within a five-year time frame at low costs, with foreign partners and private industries" Prahalda, Chief Controller at DRDO headquarters, said.
The first of such ventures, Prahalda said, would be development of quick reaction missiles to counter threats from low-flying missiles and fighters and Astra, India first bid to develop a beyond-visual range air-to-air missile.
While India would be collobrating with Israel for development of surface-to-air upgraded spyder missiles, for Astra, New Delhi has roped in French and Russian collobrators.
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Man you sure are letting people know about that IDGMP shut down.
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While India would be collobrating with Israel for development of surface-to-air upgraded spyder missiles, for Astra, New Delhi has roped in French and Russian collobrators.
This is news, another joint venture with Israel, surprise surprise.
The upgraded spyder missile system? sounds on the lines of the upgraded barak/MR-SAM.
Astra with french and Russian help, the both of them?
However it is nice to know that more systems will be developed with foriegn nations, that will do more than just the development of new weapons.
hey funtz
I am trying to find how credible this news is, I hadn't seeen such news till now in other channels. Hope the the current indigeneous programs under development will continue. Or it may be an attempt to put a firewall between indigenous sytems and collaboration ventures.
If you look at the news report the title says The IDGMP is being scrapped however in the report they say that it has almost met all of the set objectives, and hence has almost finished. Kind of Confusing I think that is the same with all CNN-IBN reports (at least to me)
From the report it seems that the program was initiated to achieve the Agni-Prithvi-Akash-Nag-Trishul etc. projects, and as they had no previous experience in building these weapon systems or the R&D infrastructure to develop these systems.
Now that the work is done, and no more sanctions are over the horizon, plus the added advantages of joint ventures with other nations, the need to have such a dedicated project has gone away. Except in weapon systems where the need for indigenous development will always exist
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However, longer range missiles, under-sea launched missiles and furturistic weapons systems like electronic counter-warfare measures would be "undertaken in-house", said one of the country`s top defense scientists Dr S Prahlada.
They are quoting some one here, so this might be true, again with the media these quotes can be twisted a lot, so might as well wait for the DRDO announcement on the topic.
Indian Nuclear & Missile Development, News & Discussions
The following news has been all over the internet & yet we have been missing out. I wanted an Indian to post it. Someone did, & even thrice, but all the three times in the 3 different & wrong forums.
Anyways here it is:
India scraps integrated guided missile programme
http://www.ptinews.com/icons/ecblank.gifhttp://www.ptinews.com/icons/ecblank.gifhttp://www.ptinews.com/icons/ecblank.gif New Delhi, Jan 8 (PTI) India today announced scrapping of the country's strategic integrated guided missile programme, and said the development and production of most of futuristic weapons systems would henceforth be undertaken with foreign collobration.
However, longer range missiles, under-sea launched missiles and furturistic weapons systems like electronic counter-warfare measures would be "undertaken in-house", said one of the country's top defence scientists Dr S Prahlada.
He said "closure" of the Integrated Development of Guided Missile Programme(IDGMP) had been done as manufacture of the most of the missiles to be developed under the project had been almost completed and inducted into the armed forces.
"Unlike post-Pokhran, when doors to technology transfers were closed on us", now doors of frontline armament technology transfer are now open", he said.
"New missile and weapons systems will be developed within a five-year time frame at low costs, with foreign partners and private industries" Prahalda, Chief Controller at DRDO headquarters, said.
The first of such ventures, Prahalda said, would be development of quick reaction missiles to counter threats from low-flying missiles and fighters and Astra, India first bid to develop a beyond-visual range air-to-air missile.
While India would be collobrating with Israel for development of surface-to-air upgraded spyder missiles, for Astra, New Delhi has roped in French and Russian collobrators.
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India closes down missile programme
NDTV Correspondent
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 (New Delhi)
It is all over for India's first missile development programme launched in 1983 under APJ Abdul Kalam.
The programme has been plagued by cost and time over runs, but according to the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), India has developed most of its missiles under this programme.
These include the surface-to-surface Agni missiles, the shorter range Prithvis, the surface-to-air Trishul and long-range surface-to-air Akash missiles.
The fourth generation anti-tank missile Nag is the only one yet to be inducted. The DRDO said future projects will be taken up with foreign collaboration.
If you look at the news report the title says The IDGMP is being scrapped
Oh crap, I had a long post, lost it all some how! Let me try again.
Here is the PIB release,
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It has been reported in a section of the media today that “Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) as a Strategic Programme stands Scrapped”.
It is hereby clarified that except for Agni demonstrator, which was successfully completed in 1989, all other projects under IGMDP are related to Tactical Missiles such as anti-tank Nag, short range Trishul, medium range Akash and Prithvi for artillery role with conventional warheads. All these missiles have since been developed. All are entering Service in one form or other. With this, objectives of IGMDP originally envisaged stand completed.
Strategic Missile Program is entirely indigenous and is being pursued through a number of separate projects. All of them are progressing as per schedule and no Strategic System has been scrapped.
BTW most of the reports got the acronym IGMDP and the full name wrong!
Agni III, Agni III+, Agni IV, Sagharika, Nirbhay, PAD/AAD were not a part of IGMDP. They had separate budget. These missiles are part of strategic program and will be completely indigenous. Couple more will join the above like Ashwin.
Coming to collaborative efforts, we have Brahmos, Brahmos II, Bark 8, Barak NG, Astra (seeker from France), Maitri (France) amongst others.
BTW there is no project based on Spyder! LLQRM project is Maitri. Spyder is just stop gap measure.
India spent $390 million on IGMDP and from that peanut we have Prithvi I, Prithvi II, Dhanush, Agni I, Agni II and Aakash inducted, Nag ready for trial this summer.
One has to read 'Wings of Fire' to understand full implication of IGMDP and it's significance to the Nation. The objective went far beyond producing missiles. It is through IGMDP, India broke the back of all technology denial regimes put against her. I find it particularly hilarious that same regimes are scrambling to set up shops in India, so that they can get a piece of the pie.! So I say IGMDP has fully met it's objective.
I think that is the same with all CNN-IBN reports (at least to me)
