"India has...agreed in principle to sell Vietnam the Prithvi missile"
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http://www.monthlyreview.org/0306rupe2.htm (Note: skip nearly halfway down the page, and look in the section that has something about an Asian ...
"India has...agreed in principle to sell Vietnam the Prithvi missile"
Here: http://www.monthlyreview.org/0306rupe2.htm (Note: skip nearly halfway down the page, and look in the section that has something about an Asian NATO in its title)
I was actually looking for information on the recent small arms shipment from Pakistan to Vietnam, and, as is usually the case with my searching, I came across something else, that whilst not being entirely relevant, is interesting in its own right.
Well there is a little thing about people and the way they use the creative freedom they have.
The whole article as a whole features a lot of real nice stuff that should be quoted instead of the Prithvi missile
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Thus it is no exaggeration to say that the United States is on a course of belligerence and terrorism against the people of the world. Various forces, of diverse character, have recognized this and are gearing up for the confrontation.
for more serious and mature thoughts on the India - Vietnam relations
No doubt India-veitnam ties are increasing in defence sector but selling directly Ballistic missiles that are nuclear capable and also helping Veitnam in Nuclear sphere points to a dangerous arms race and I doubt we could be doing this? We could loose our credibilty of having a good record in non-proliferation.
I was referring to this as there has been recent trouble over the Spratley Islands between Vietnam and China (China wants to hold exercises in the area, Vietnam doesnt want them to).
Funtz, please be careful, there may be people on the board who take offence to your quote of the article.
Anyways, the current trouble between Vietnam and China could lead to a memory jolt for Vietnam, if they haven't bought the Prithvi already.
I was referring to this as there has been recent trouble over the Spratley Islands between Vietnam and China (China wants to hold exercises in the area, Vietnam doesnt want them to).
Funtz, please be careful, there may be people on the board who take offence to your quote of the article.
Anyways, the current trouble between Vietnam and China could lead to a memory jolt for Vietnam, if they haven't bought the Prithvi already.
Well you gave the link to the article, i was trying to show that the article is obviously scripted with strong views, with out much thought for mature analysis, proving in a way that the Prithvi and Vietnam issue was probably the writer taking freedom too far.
There have been other references to this issue in the media however they are too few to gauge any thing accurately.
one such report from October 03, 2005 by Bharat Karnad professor, Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi
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China uses Pak, Vietnam open to India
The problem is the Vietnamese want the Brahmos cruise missile, with which they promise to keep the Chinese Navy on the defensive in the South China Sea and the approaches to the Malacca Straits. This is an esteemable mission. The Indian government, acting sensibly, should help Vietnam achieve it.
But there is the proven short-range Prithvi missile, with impressive accuracy, that India can part with because, with the family of Agni missiles in the fray, it has become redundant.
Further, the transaction for the sub-300 km range Prithvi is permissible under the Missile Technology Control Regime.
In exchange for the conventional warheaded Prithvi now and the promise of more advanced missiles and other such strategic cooperation in the future, Hanoi should be persuaded to allow the Indian Navy a basing option in Cam Ranh Bay
BUT Cam Ranh Bay is a heady attraction for the United States and China as well. Vietnam has turned down such approaches essentially because it distrusts them. In the past, when the Indian Navy requested access to Cam Ranh Bay, the Vietnamese pleaded this would upset the big powers. However, the offer of missiles and other such strategic cooperation should prevail over Vietnam’s inhibitions.
And in case people still wonder the real power of indigenous military industry then some opinions have been expressed by the same author.
Vietnam should take all the steps that are necessary for their security. how they do it is their concern.
The relations between Vietnam and India are getting better, lot of business opportunity for both nations, and if need be some level of military cooperation will be there too, both nations respect each other as equals, however now is too soon to comment.
Last edited by funtz; November 29th, 2007 at 01:56 AM.
Last I heard, India had not joined the MTCR, so is not bound by its provisions. Since 2005, India has publicly stated that it will voluntarily abide by some of the provisions of the MTCR, but such voluntary restraint is not binding in any way.
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Last I heard, India had not joined the MTCR, so is not bound by its provisions. Since 2005, India has publicly stated that it will voluntarily abide by some of the provisions of the MTCR, but such voluntary restraint is not binding in any way.
But Vietnam has joined MTCR I think, so theres no way they'll want to break it. Neither will India, else it be seen and called a "Proliferator", especially at a crucial time when it is looking for a more active role in International affairs.
Any breaking of MTCR restrictions by India will be immediately seized by China and Pak, and Critics and Nuke Ayatollahs in the US to demonize India and break Indo-US cooperation.
Plus, Vietnam doesnt need anything more than a 300 km missile... its sufficient for its uses.
But Vietnam has joined MTCR I think, so theres no way they'll want to break it. Neither will India, else it be seen and called a "Proliferator", especially at a crucial time when it is looking for a more active role in International affairs.
Any breaking of MTCR restrictions by India will be immediately seized by China and Pak, and Critics and Nuke Ayatollahs in the US to demonize India and break Indo-US cooperation.
Plus, Vietnam doesnt need anything more than a 300 km missile... its sufficient for its uses.
Yes, Vietnam joined MTCR. But India dont. And the exchange is going India -> Vietnam - so, from my PoV, Veitnam do not break MTCR threaty. The MTCR threaty do not forbid developing or aquiring missile technoly by itself - it merery forbids prolifirating it to foreign countries.
Either way, this move would bring diplomatic issues of course - MTCR or not.
That is not confirmed news(from Vietnam or India).
Very little is offered by India in terms of military hardware to make any nation go in for a strategic relationship with India solely to meet their defence requirements, there are other factors at work ofcourse and that is where things might get interesting.
However a truly indigenous military equipment industry would have helped in more ways than one.
Vietnamese don't have tech to make ballistic missiles more than 1000 km. What my father know about this..they can make scudB and upgrade ScubC by reduce payload to gain ranges. So far under Russian licence they make SA3,SA6,...to SA18...they don't have tech to make cruise missile..more than 100 km.....that is why india help them is right, and have some toys can defend themseft. and india not in mtcr..yes can sale it to them.
Vietnamese don't have tech to make ballistic missiles more than 1000 km. What my father know about this..they can make scudB and upgrade ScubC by reduce payload to gain ranges. So far under Russian licence they make SA3,SA6,...to SA18...they don't have tech to make cruise missile..more than 100 km.....that is why india help them is right, and have some toys can defend themseft. and india not in mtcr..yes can sale it to them.
it must be a rumour or something, coz i havent heard a squeak about.but if it is true its a good opportunity to make some cash and the drdo to get some international rep.
Vietnam has been looking for (land-/naval/air-based) modern anti-ship missiles for while.
The Brahmos is the prime candidate, but India needs to feel its' arsenal first. Deliveries to Vietnam can only start when production is running with surplus.
So some journalists/analyst came up with the idea that India should sell the Prithvi - more as a political symbolic act - to Vietnam.
Mean while Russia has sold/give the Shaddock to Vietnam as interim solution.
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