What if war were to break out between southeast asia?

[Ananda]

Originally Posted by STURM

So very true!

The PLA is a completely different animal than it was in 1979 - there has been so many changes, not just in new gear but in organisational patterns, operational mindsets, etc. I'm no expert but I doubt the same can be said for the Vietnamese army, which remains largely equipped with the same gear it was in 1979. If the gaps in firepower between both armies were already wide in 1979, it's much wider now. Given recent events at sea, I would expect that the Vietnamese would be investing more in their navy rather than the army.

Still Sturm, Vietnam will still have home field advantages. The way they done it with French and the US was the abbility to tied-up large resources of opposite more powerfull forces on long junggle warfare. PLA with no doubt have better caoabilities to thrust themselves upon Vietnam teritory. But like many smaller forces, Vietnam ability to make. It long and bloddy insurgences warfare that need to be seen whether PLA can commit themselves that long without opening chances of weaken second front from more formidable forces facing their borders.

[Feanor]

Vietnam is investing in their navy.

[W82DIE]

Even if nukes are not used explosive warheads and anti-ship rockets would be used an seriously China has tons of those. China is also building an aircraft carrier and seriously why would you need a carrier unless you plan to attack somebody. Carriers are just ships that carry aircraft and increase their portability to enable an invasion.

[surpreme]

Originally Posted by STURM

So very true!

The PLA is a completely different animal than it was in 1979 - there has been so many changes, not just in new gear but in organisational patterns, operational mindsets, etc. I'm no expert but I doubt the same can be said for the Vietnamese army, which remains largely equipped with the same gear it was in 1979. If the gaps in firepower between both armies were already wide in 1979, it's much wider now. Given recent events at sea, I would expect that the Vietnamese would be investing more in their navy rather than the army.

I agreed with you on that the PLA is much different than 1979. But don't count the Vietnamese out they are some great warriors and when it come to defending your country its a big different. If China do try to invade Vietnam it will not be a cake walk I'll tell you that. Yes China will prevailed but with heavy loses.

[Ananda]

Originally Posted by surpreme

If China do try to invade Vietnam it will not be a cake walk I'll tell you that. Yes China will prevailed but with heavy loses.

That considerable loss that China need to think, considering they facing more formidable forces on their northern borders, and eastern border/sea. Something people that tend to forgot is, yes China building formidable armed forces, but considering they have Russia, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, India, and US on their border, even tiny forces of Southeast Asian countries is not something they tend can write off as easily on the paper.

[Lionhearti]

Originally Posted by STURM

And Vietnam got bogged down in a 10 year occupation, which took its toll on the economy, against a number of resistance groups that it never subdued.

If a border clash were to take place again between Vietnam and China, the results could be very different. The PLA is a completely different force than it was in 1979.

And one has to remember China dosent have to worry about the Rompin Stompin Russian Red Ass anymore. Russian Army is a mockery to what the Soviet's were

[Beatmaster]

Originally Posted by Lionhearti

And one has to remember China dosent have to worry about the Rompin Stompin Russian Red Ass anymore. Russian Army is a mockery to what the Soviet's were

Sorry buddy but what you say aint true,
Yes Russia's military power is reduced by far compared to their massive numbers during the cold war.
On the otherhand they have put in a great effort to give their military capabilities a more professional mindset also the numerous upgrades to their army start to pay off.
So in short said Russia might be not the big bully anymore as it was and i am sure that China has done its homework but take my word for it, if Russia wants to invade China they can do so and they have the better cards atm.
Sure if China keeps their buildup phase as it is they will become equal to Russia or perhaps even stronger but for now Russia does not have to fear China and vise versa.

In regards to China invading Vietnam i can say this China does have everything it needs to do this however due the geographic location of Vietnam and its massive resources and overall mindset its going to be hell for China.
Technological the Chinese are far superior but keep in mind if every tree is hiding a machine gun nest then a 2 cent bullet can be just as effective as all the tech that China can bring in.
In that regard China will do no better then the US did, the only benefit China has which the US did not have on such scale is the advantage to sit next door.

In regards to the Vietnamese forces they are outdated but they have a good history in terms of putting up fight.
Now i doubt that they have any ability to perform a mass invasion.
However i think it should be clear that the Vietnamese forces are a tough cookie given the fact that they have numbers and the right "mindset" helped by the fact that they can be the underdog.

At least i think so offensive i see little that the Vietnamese forces can do however defensive its a different story as the Vietnamese have proven in every war they ever fought.
And in regards to the Chinese and their Neighborhood i believe the Vietnamese can teach them a lesson or 2 in terms of defending.

[surpreme]

Originally Posted by Beatmaster

Sorry buddy but what you say aint true,
Yes Russia's military power is reduced by far compared to their massive numbers during the cold war.
On the otherhand they have put in a great effort to give their military capabilities a more professional mindset also the numerous upgrades to their army start to pay off.
So in short said Russia might be not the big bully anymore as it was and i am sure that China has done its homework but take my word for it, if Russia wants to invade China they can do so and they have the better cards atm.
Sure if China keeps their buildup phase as it is they will become equal to Russia or perhaps even stronger but for now Russia does not have to fear China and vise versa.

In regards to China invading Vietnam i can say this China does have everything it needs to do this however due the geographic location of Vietnam and its massive resources and overall mindset its going to be hell for China.
Technological the Chinese are far superior but keep in mind if every tree is hiding a machine gun nest then a 2 cent bullet can be just as effective as all the tech that China can bring in.
In that regard China will do no better then the US did, the only benefit China has which the US did not have on such scale is the advantage to sit next door.

In regards to the Vietnamese forces they are outdated but they have a good history in terms of putting up fight.
Now i doubt that they have any ability to perform a mass invasion.
However i think it should be clear that the Vietnamese forces are a tough cookie given the fact that they have numbers and the right "mindset" helped by the fact that they can be the underdog.

At least i think so offensive i see little that the Vietnamese forces can do however defensive its a different story as the Vietnamese have proven in every war they ever fought.
And in regards to the Chinese and their Neighborhood i believe the Vietnamese can teach them a lesson or 2 in terms of defending.

I agree with you on what you just said. The Vietnamese do have a history in fighting modern militaries and doing some damage to them.One U.S. commander said one VC held up a whole company and if he was his commander he would have gave him a medal. The change of a war breaking out in Southeast Asia is slim.