This is a discussion on Sweden/Soviet Union provocative actions within the Military Strategy and Tactics forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; People here in the forum seems to be sceptical about cooperation between sweden and US during the 60īs. Here is ...
Development of society and technology go hand in hand. In the 1960s, the United States rapidly developed the missile-armed Polaris nuclear submarine, which patrolled the Scandinavian coast. At the same time, the United States issued a security guarantee for Sweden. In the event of a Soviet attack, the United States would support Swedish defence with military resources.
I'm not out to belittle US-Swedish Cold War cooperation which I recognize to be considerable and significant, but...
In the same year, 1960, the US National Security Council, chaired by President Eisenhower, formulated a security guarantee for Sweden. In the event of Soviet aggression against Sweden, the United States would support Sweden’s defence with military resources.
...hardly constitutes a security guarantee. Unless actual military planning for the deployment of assets [units] or directly supportive military actions can be pointed to.
If unearthed, it would be convincing.
Another point:
There were strong links in the research between the Polaris project and Sweden. Swedish researchers at the Royal Institute of Technology and Uppsala University made significant efforts to improve the missiles' performance. At KTH, the researchers in 1960 succeeded for the first time in determining the exact shape of the Earth, knowledge which was necessary to be able to calculate missile trajectories correctly. Uppsala University took part in a world-wide project to determine the location of the continents in relation to one another. This research was funded by the US Department of Defence.
As to geophysics in the sixties... breakthroughs were achieved all the time across the globe, as so much was oriented towards describing the Earth in order to improve ballistic missile accuracy; the Swedes may be emphasising themselves a bit too much on this point, however it is a very very minor point of criticism.
But some very fine and interesting observations. They do support that Sweden was unofficially in the Western block.
US-Swedish cooperation on the intelligence side is perhaps the strongest argument in support of this view.
I never realized that Skagerak was a SSBN salient in the sixties.
________________ "Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world, eh?"
...hardly constitutes a security guarantee. Unless actual military planning for the deployment of assets [units] or directly supportive military actions can be pointed to.
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Security guarantee from the United States
In the same year, 1960, the US National Security Council, chaired by President Eisenhower, formulated a security guarantee for Sweden. In the event of Soviet aggression against Sweden, the United States would support Sweden’s defence with military resources. The two NATO members Norway and Denmark at the same time received sharply increased military support. The Norwegian naval fleet was boosted by the addition of 56 vessels. Denmark also had new vessels added to its fleet. A command unit with the task of closing off the outlets of the Baltic Sea was formed in 1961. The unit was under Danish command, but had a significant element of US personnel.
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Originally Posted by Grand Danois
As to geophysics in the sixties... breakthroughs were achieved all the time across the globe, as so much was oriented towards describing the Earth in order to improve ballistic missile accuracy; the Swedes may be emphasising themselves a bit too much on this point, however it is a very very minor point of criticism.
Well.. ... might be..the study ware mayby done more for conformation purpose.
I have been a Tank officer in the Swedish Army between 1978-2012.
During the 80īs i was first a platoon commander and later a Tank company C.
I was alwas placed at the same unit in the same battalion.
This battalion was on 24 h standby 24-7, 365 dayes a year, all thrugh the 80īs.
The first week in case of war, we had a standing order to defend some of the Swedish airforce peacetime airfields, NOT the war/road airfieldes. As you can understand this was discussed a lot between the officerīs. ALL war planning was against an attac from WP.
I saw earlier in the thread, that The tension between Sweden and Soviet during the U137 incedent in 1981. A few years after that my Brigade(Brigade units) and my Battalion were called in for a 5-6 weeks manuver. The S-tank and Viggen had a lot in common when it came to the hydralic system. The hydralic mekanic in my company normaly worked with Viggenīs. During this exercise we became verry good friens. The story he told me was the fact, that a full skale war between Sweden and Soviet was avoided with only 15-20 sec to spare.
Two ships had broken loose from the Soviet armada just outside the Swedish border and was steming towards Karlskrona.Our Supreme Comander had got orders to defend the Swedish border at any prize. My friends airbase scrambeld more than 40 AJ37 with live anti-ship missels.The pilot on my friendīs Viggen estimated that they were 15-20 sec from launch when the stand down order came.
The fact was that two West German merchent ships, headed for Karlskrona had traveld right thrugh the Soviet armada. How this was detected, i donīt know, maby thrugh a swedish sub.
I have a question a bit related to this event and I am sorry it might sound a bit stupid as well,
This event with the submarine was dubbed " Whiskey on the Rocks" well, do they call whiskey with ice 'whiskey on the rocks' because of this event, or was it called like that even before this event?
I have a question a bit related to this event and I am sorry it might sound a bit stupid as well,
This event with the submarine was dubbed " Whiskey on the Rocks" well, do they call whiskey with ice 'whiskey on the rocks' because of this event, or was it called like that even before this event?
I canīt speak for the entire nation, but i have never seen that on a bar menue. On the other hand i donīt like Whiskey.
This phrase is mostly used at bars in United States, ( I don't know how common it is in Canada, UK or Australia),
In the U.K and many other places, whiskey that orginates from Scotland is more commonly called 'scotch'. In the U.S., Jack Daniels would be called 'whiskey' but stuff like Jim Beam and Wild Turkey would be more acurately called bourbon.
The incident was called 'Whiskey on the rock's because it involved a Whiskey class SSK that ran aground on rocks but the term 'Whiskey on the rocks' - to describe a shot of Whiskey with just ice - came into common usage way before the incident and is widely used in most, if not all English speaking countries. It's something that is commonly used but which most people, including myself, have no idea where it originated from, just like the term 'whiskey neat'.
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I have been a Tank officer in the Swedish Army between 1978-2012.
When you left the army in 2012, how were tank battalions organised? Was it 3 companies each, followed by 3 platoons?
In the U.K and many other places, whiskey that orginates from Scotland is more commonly called 'scotch'. In the U.S., Jack Daniels would be called 'whiskey' but stuff like Jim Beam and Wild Turkey would be more acurately called bourbon.
The incident was called 'Whiskey on the rock's because it involved a Whiskey class SSK that ran aground on rocks but the term 'Whiskey on the rocks' - to describe a shot of Whiskey with just ice - came into common usage way before the incident and is widely used in most, if not all English speaking countries. It's something that is commonly used but which most people, including myself, have no idea where it originated from, just like the term 'whiskey neat'.
When you left the army in 2012, how were tank battalions organised? Was it 3 companies each, followed by 3 platoons?
First, sorry for the delay you hade to endure. The fact i as these units are still in service(not that i distrust 90% of allreaders. I just donīt feel right to talk about.
But lets say everything is more taylored made depending on your mission
der at any prize. My friends airbase scrambeld more than 40 AJ37 with live anti-ship missels.The pilot on my friendīs Viggen estimated that they were 15-20 sec from launch when the stand down order came.
