A New War Ahead

[Teindva]

In Iraq American forces could not master the wealth and occupy the wells of oil who are now massing in Afghanistan after its European alliance are breaking away from its influence one by one. Some thirty thousand additional troops are nominated to head to Afghanistan. The United States considers Afghanistan a ground for its long or permanent presence as a threat to Russia and China. It totally neglects the other neighbouring countries like Pakistan, India and Iran being not worthy of its rivalry, however it gains and tries to gain more sympathy of the world to assist it and recognise it against the labelled terrorists. These terrorists are the same that made Russian communism defeat there and are a hurdle in the way of American premiership of the world. Afghainstan is the door to South Asia and has been the part of Indian Empire for long in history with the provinces of Kabul, Qandahar and Herat upto the river Amu. Now it is necessary for the countries of the area to make an alliance against any intruder for to be ousted.
The main point there is to discourage religious prejudice amongst the people of the countries of the area. Then there is a strong need for the time for the countries of South Asia to unite under a strong and firmly based alliance.

[Twister]

The next target will be Somalia.

Unlike Afgahnistan and Iraq, war on Somalia will be view as war on piracy, which support most of nation around the world.

Latest news from Al Jazerra, most likely the Somalia will be fully control by IUC if Euthiopian Army still continue their plan to leave by this Jan 2009.

[Teindva]

I hope you have got my point.

[Marc 1]

Originally Posted by Teindva

I hope you have got my point.

No. Are you saying that Afghanistan, Pakistan and India should unite against the US and Nato?

[Twister]

To see Afghanistan, Pakistan and India united fighting US & NATO just a daydream.

With current terrorist action in Mumbai, it's hard to say that Pakistan will united with his long time rival, India.

For Afghanistan, it's hard to say cause the nation fully control by ISAF with lead by US. Only if Taliban win the battle and Pakistan ready to recognise them, then the story maybe came true.

Even now, Pakistan seem enjoying their relation with NATO which they believe benefit to their economy & military.

[Teindva]

Originally Posted by Twister

Afghanistan, Pakistan and India united
fighting US & NATO just a daydream.
Pakistan seem enjoying their relation with NATO which they believe benefit to their economy & military.

Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangla, Bhutan, Nepal, Lanka, Maldives.
Get all these united and there you will see no one to remain in any part of the land. It will boil and all will draw their hands from it. Have their not been governors of Kabul from Delhi(I think Todarmal has also remained for a year) and soldiers of Deccan from Arabia before the empire got into English hands. It is not a day dream but a wake up from all the bad dream.

[Feanor]

Originally Posted by Teindva

Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangla, Bhutan, Nepal, Lanka, Maldives.
Get all these united and there you will see no one to remain in any part of the land. It will boil and all will draw their hands from it. Have their not been governors of Kabul from Delhi(I think Todarmal has also remained for a year) and soldiers of Deccan from Arabia before the empire got into English hands. It is not a day dream but a wake up from all the bad dream.

Sounds ridiculous. Look at modern day political realities. India and Pakistan are traditional enemies. Afghan is destabilized to the extreme. Nepal is in the middle of a Maoist insurgency.

[Twister]

Nobody ignore nor denied that South Asia Community has a spirits of warrior. Gurkhas, Punjab, Tamil, Pasthun, Baloch etc is well known as a brave & success fighter.

However, in current time, nowadays to see all of them united together against US & NATO just a biggest daydream.

We can assume Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Nepal & Bhutan could united each other but it's impossible to see Pakistan, India, & Sri Lanka in the same situation.

Khasmir, Mumbai Terrorist & LTTE is the issue to be solve first before we can see this countries to be together.

[Teindva]

Needs pull the root not hit the bud. The separatists are often compelled to people who then call outsiders to help in logistics. When they will be satisfied and their rights preserved no one will have a cause remained to make them angry to fight for. These movement are the outcome of factional or nationality prejudice.

[Marc 1]

Originally Posted by Teindva

Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangla, Bhutan, Nepal, Lanka, Maldives.
Get all these united and there you will see no one to remain in any part of the land. It will boil and all will draw their hands from it. Have their not been governors of Kabul from Delhi(I think Todarmal has also remained for a year) and soldiers of Deccan from Arabia before the empire got into English hands. It is not a day dream but a wake up from all the bad dream.

OK, I see your answer is yes, you do think they should form a united front. Setting aside the problems in getting India and Pakistan for instance together, against what or who and why?

Does
"you will see no one to remain in any part of the land." Mean so they can kick the US, NATO and alliance forces out of Afg? Why? Did you consider Afg a successful developing nation that had the betterment of its population in mind? Note I did not specify Democracy - Cuba in my opinion is a nation that succeeds because the people are looked after by the government.

[funtz]

Originally Posted by Feanor

Sounds ridiculous. Look at modern day political realities. India and Pakistan are traditional enemies. Afghan is destabilized to the extreme. Nepal is in the middle of a Maoist insurgency.

Nepal is not in the middle of a Maoist insurgency its at the end of an era of Maoist insurgency, the Maoists are finished with the insurgency and are integrating into main stream politics.

[alphacentauri]

Originally Posted by Teindva

In Iraq American forces could not master the wealth and occupy the wells of oil who are now massing in Afghanistan after its European alliance are breaking away from its influence one by one. Some thirty thousand additional troops are nominated to head to Afghanistan. The United States considers Afghanistan a ground for its long or permanent presence as a threat to Russia and China. It totally neglects the other neighbouring countries like Pakistan, India and Iran being not worthy of its rivalry, however it gains and tries to gain more sympathy of the world to assist it and recognise it against the labelled terrorists. These terrorists are the same that made Russian communism defeat there and are a hurdle in the way of American premiership of the world. Afghainstan is the door to South Asia and has been the part of Indian Empire for long in history with the provinces of Kabul, Qandahar and Herat upto the river Amu. Now it is necessary for the countries of the area to make an alliance against any intruder for to be ousted.
The main point there is to discourage religious prejudice amongst the people of the countries of the area. Then there is a strong need for the time for the countries of South Asia to unite under a strong and firmly based alliance.

Well i can understand what you want to say brother, we must have united as a single force like NATO, EU or west but unfortunately there are big hurdles in our way which are very difficult and painfull to solve down, here is my point of view to overcome these hurdles:

1. Solve Kashmir, convert LoC into permanent border(or get mutullay destroyed by nuclear war). Because both India and Pakistan dont seem to loose even a inch of the territory under their rule it is impossible for Pakistan to get back Kashmir by force or other means and same is true for India(again very painfull thing to do).

2. Both counteries should stop aiding seperatism and terrorism inside each other and stop destablisisng each other.

3. Particularly for Pakistan that it should not allow the Islamic religious ideology to interfere in state and foreign affairs. It should be a secular state with no discrimination on basis of religion and the same holds true for India too.

4. Promote more economic progress and trade inside south asia.

5. Partcularly Pakistan must understand that Army is a political instrument to acheive goals at home or outside home and Army is not supposed to act on its own because they are bad rulers.

6 India will not act in a hegemony if Pakistan agrees to convert LoC into IB and after the issue is resolved India will give a strong commitment to sort Pakistan out of economic crisis.

7. After all these things there should be a all out millitary and political alliance between all the south asian nations and attack on one S Asain nation should be considered as attack on entire region and I GUARANTEE YOU BROTHER NO WORLD POWER OR SUPERPOWER CAN EVEN IMAGINE TO ATTACK ANY SOUTH ASIAN REGION IF WE RESOLVE THE ABOVE MENTIONED ISSUES. BUT I FEEL SAD THAT THERE ARE LOT OF BIGOTS IN BOTH OUR NATIONS WHO WILL NEVER LET IT HAPPEN AND I FEAR THAT WE ARE ON A PATH OF DESTRUCTION RATHER THAN ON A PATH OF PEACE AND PROSPEITY.

[Teindva]

Respected Friends Good day and best wishes!
According to your response there are some points to discuss. One thing is that of the case of Afghanistan, if a country is suffering under its own circumstances and upon that a foreign regime is if imposed only makes that suffering increase many a folds. The Afghans are tired of war and if they are compelled to do that is just because of the presence of foreigners which one never tolerates at any cost and all the neighbouring nations need get notice of the trouble. It is not a developing nation and Pakistan and India need get into the path of development.
Then is the theory of Union to be kept before that how come these nations come into a bond. The thing is not that the international boundaries be formed and a proper friendship policy needs be managed. It may become possible by very simple and fundamental changes if brought in the system.
1- Rub out all the boundaries and make the people mixed.
2- Make a central assembly or council with members from all over the areas of the nation.Those who be known best for the betterment of the people shunting western democratic capitalist formula.
3- Make the land clear from all types of professional politicians, anti-social elements and gangsters. Not a single by letting escaping or deportation.
Then that union will work and not only work but might become a magnificant power of the world. One thing is to be noted here that this thing will not be ever encouraged by any single power of the world and all is to be done is by own. No one will come to make you prosper other than one or one's mother. there is a Turkish proverb for this.
Do not trust your uncle and just pull your bread nearer.

[Twister]

While we talked about to re-united south asia, dont forget about tribe, culture and religion issue. This issue are the most hard to tackle.

Kashmir issue not just about borders but between muslim and hindus community.

Afghanistan issue is about shias, sunnis, liberal & wahhabism. Also ethnic issue.

Nepal & Bhutan consider peacefully, and not the problem.

Sri Lanka is about Sinhalese and Tamil (LTTE).

[hellfire]

well india and pakistan uniting against US and NATO in ur dreams,the only countries i see india uniting in no particular order is with US,russia and israel.

why would any country go against nato and US,only countries with islamic ideology would.
IMO war on terror is justified,well wonder when russia too joins the war on terror,if russia had a 9/11 i wouldnt be suprised to see US and russia working together.