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Ideas for a military fiction story that i am writing?

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Old January 20th, 2012   #1
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Ideas for a military fiction story that i am writing?

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I've moved away from the vietnam genre to a WW2 and have started on writing the novel. It's a two part novel comprising of WW2 in book one and the modern near future period(2020-2050) in book 2.

The plot centres well about a time travel event that throws the protagonist, a student and the school back into the events of WW2 unfolding in singapore. What he has to do is to survive along with his friends until they can get back home to 2030, and possibly try not to change history, but that cannot be avoided one way or the other. And while they are back in 2030, a nasty surprise awaits them just as they think they've escaped from the time rift into a near future war of independence on a global scale.


I'm not sure of the weapons/ equipment used in either period but this time they will be using conventional weapons for ww2, but for 2030 onwards, im not really sure on what to include as i may have to speculate from there.

Thanks in advance!

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writing fiction about the military

my top tip would be to do research and more research because most ideas and plots tend to come from some personal experience or something you’ll watch or hear. When writing fiction about the military, particularly if you had no personal experience to dip into, and that would include pretty much all of us when the story takes on an historical venue, get used to research and become comfortable at your local library.

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Much like the movie, i would like to focus on a detachment of combined armed forces task force from the US army deploying to defend against a chinese invasion of north vietnam in 2020 While engaging targets in vietnam and is transported back to the 1960's vietnam war. Instead of holding back, i would like to go all out, defending South vietnam from the North Vietnam invasion and maybe even toying with the idea of an invasion of the North.
  1. So there we are shoulder to shoulder with our good ally Vietnam. <<POP>> Suddenly we are 60 years back in history and have an overwhelming urge to knife them in the back? If the commander had any integrity he would call the president and tell him how things came out, and that we are now best buddies.
  2. Where are we now? Fighting a Chinese invasion of Vietnam would probably mean up on the northern border. So the US troops are now at the wrong end of North Vietnam and need to fight their way to the coast. Question: How do you contact the US and convince them to send the Navy to save you when you get there?
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What would be the most feasible units that could be used?
Going against China on land at one of their borders? That is the ‘big brawl’ for sure. You would need more than a few corps worth of armor to have any real impact. Add the rest of NATO and it probably wouldn’t even begin to be excessive.
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I also have a possible problem regarding supplies.. Would there be a problem regarding supply replenishment in friendly bases(ammunition)?
Depends on:
  1. Where you are. If that is up in North Vietnam, there is nothing much except fuel, and not much of that.
  2. When you are:
  • Up until the late 60’s you can’t get 5.56mm ammo, only 7.62mm NATO.
  • Nothing with electronics is available -- Period.
    • Back then advanced computers used discrete transistors soldered to circuit boards. At least they were 10x more compact than those using vacuum tubes. 8-bit systems with 256 bytes of RAM in high end machines. Hard disk capacity was measure in kilobytes, rarely more than 8K, and is only used for virtual memory. Programs are stored on punch cards or tape. Large data storage is on magnetic tape.

      Want to double the computer capacity of the Pentagon + CIA + NSA? Walk in the door with an iPhone.
    • All the military communications equipment use vacuum tubes.
    • Except for single cell alkaline batteries (AAA thru D) all the batteries are the wrong size and voltage.
  • Artillery guns and mortars can probably use the available munitions, but the charges are different and is likely to cause problems with automatic loading system. MLRS, missiles, and most of the rest of your ammunition does not exist yet.
  • Your engines contain electronic control systems. See above.
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Check the TOE for a mechanized division.
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Hope this doesn't spoil your fun, but there's a trilogy of novels (the "Axis of Time" trilogy) by John Birmingham based on a very similar concept
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Hi guys! thanks for the time responding.

I've moved away from the vietnam genre to a WW2 and have started on writing the novel. It's a two part novel comprising of WW2 in book one and the modern near future period(2020-2050) in book 2.

The plot centres well about a time travel event that throws the protagonist, a student and the school back into the events of WW2 unfolding in singapore. What he has to do is to survive along with his friends until they can get back home to 2030, and possibly try not to change history, but that cannot be avoided one way or the other. And while they are back in 2030, a nasty surprise awaits them just as they think they've escaped from the time rift into a near future war of independence on a global scale.


I'm not sure of the weapons/ equipment used in either period but this time they will be using conventional weapons for ww2, but for 2030 onwards, im not really sure on what to include as i may have to speculate from there.

Thanks in advance!
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So what, now you're just copy pasting your original post so you can bump your thread? I don't think so. Don't do that again.

You've already gotten advice from those willing to give it to you - my suggestion would be to now take it to a forum (or even better, a formal course) specialising in fiction so you can work on developing your writing abilities.
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I've moved away from the vietnam genre to a WW2 and have started on writing the novel. It's a two part novel comprising of WW2 in book one and the modern near future period(2020-2050) in book 2.

The plot centres well about a time travel event that throws the protagonist, a student and the school back into the events of WW2 unfolding in singapore. What he has to do is to survive along with his friends until they can get back home to 2030, and possibly try not to change history, but that cannot be avoided one way or the other. And while they are back in 2030, a nasty surprise awaits them just as they think they've escaped from the time rift into a near future war of independence on a global scale.


I'm not sure of the weapons/ equipment used in either period but this time they will be using conventional weapons for ww2, but for 2030 onwards, im not really sure on what to include as i may have to speculate from there.

Thanks in advance!
well having read a large no of military novels , i would suggest reading a bit of history for the WW2 era . for 2030 era , i would suggest that when the student gets to the future the world went into a full scale nuclear war and people are not fighting with swords etc . kind of a post apocalyptic ending
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A bit like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome or perhaps the final countdown where present day USN carrier goes back just before December 7 1941 but then why go back in time why not forward?

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As said before research is the key. it had taken J.K Rowling seven years till she finished her first book, do it right and you never know.
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Funny you should mention the Final Countdown, his first idea for the plot was incredibly similar.

A land based unit thrown back to in time to WW2 just before a pivotal conflict in the SEA region and they have to decide if they should or shouldn't change the course of history.
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Funny you should mention the Final Countdown, his first idea for the plot was incredibly similar.

A land based unit thrown back to in time to WW2 just before a pivotal conflict in the SEA region and they have to decide if they should or shouldn't change the course of history.
building on your suggestion, i would suggest that they do decide change the course of history, and when they are transported back to the future they find that their actions cost the allies the war and now germany is the new super power and the only thing standing between it and total world dominance is china and both of them are on the verge of war . will make one hell of a read if written correctly
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The plot centres well about a time travel event that throws the protagonist, a student and the school back into the events of WW2 unfolding in singapore. What he has to do is to survive along with his friends until they can get back home to 2030, and possibly try not to change history, but that cannot be avoided one way or the other.
Might want to look at the time covered, that is about 90 years. If the students are 18 at the beginning of the story they will have to survive until they are 108 years old to make it back to 2030!

Not likely.
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Might want to look at the time covered, that is about 90 years. If the students are 18 at the beginning of the story they will have to survive until they are 108 years old to make it back to 2030!

Not likely.
what he means to say that the students will get back to 2030 the same way they were thrown back to the past i.e time travel . they don't have to survive till they are 108 they just have to find a way to get back to future
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building on your suggestion, i would suggest that they do decide change the course of history, and when they are transported back to the future they find that their actions cost the allies the war and now germany is the new super power and the only thing standing between it and total world dominance is china and both of them are on the verge of war . will make one hell of a read if written correctly
Nah, I thought the OP should try something more original than following a story which has already been done.

Bit like doing "Barry Potter" and saying at the end "Oh no! The bad guy wins, so it's completely different".
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Nah, I thought the OP should try something more original than following a story which has already been done.

Bit like doing "Barry Potter" and saying at the end "Oh no! The bad guy wins, so it's completely different".
well when it comes to ww2 and time travel the subject has been covered in every way possible in movies and novels and biographies. however here is an idea if Brams is willing to change his game plan a little bit and make it a historical fictional novel . how about when the student goes back in time to find himself in WW2 era , he is forced to serve in the armed forces and instead of trying to change history , he relives WW2 . write it like it is a fictional novel but it is totally based on history . type of telling WW2 story from a soldiers point of view . the difference b/w an ordinary biography and this will be that it will be a fictional story so you can create a lot of smaller events on your own
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So what, now you're just copy pasting your original post so you can bump your thread? I don't think so. Don't do that again.

You've already gotten advice from those willing to give it to you - my suggestion would be to now take it to a forum (or even better, a formal course) specialising in fiction so you can work on developing your writing abilities.
Hi Bonza, first of all i wish to regretfully convey my apologies for double posting. I will take that in mind in the future.

Im not very well versed in military hardware and tactics as i have never dabbled much in it .It's just that i would like to keep things as realistic whenever possible when writing but i have no or little knowledge about what military hardware and what alternative tactics could have been used back in WW2 and in the alternative reality future for example.

It's not the writing part aspect that im having trouble with, but researching about military affairs and tactics, what ifs, what could be possibly be employed and what could work, hence the reason why i posted here so i could learn about what was employed back then and what would work theoretically.



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