Ideas for a military fiction novel which i am writing?
This is a discussion on Ideas for a military fiction novel which i am writing? within the Military Strategy and Tactics forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by StobieWan
Oh, I was referring to the original Pearl Harbour strike, sorry.
I don't know what weapons ...
Oh, I was referring to the original Pearl Harbour strike, sorry.
I don't know what weapons the SG would carry but a GBU into the deck would probably slow most stuff up (battle ship fans say otherwise, but historically, a lot of damage was done by 500lb armoured piercing bombs so logically, a 2,000 lb should work as well,
Ian
Oh i see.
F-15SGs carried JDAMs on board as well as AIM-120C, AIM-9X and the AGM-154 JSOW for anti air.. I believe they have much more?
Since JDAM are guided, does that mean the F-15 can strike from far away or in this case, high above or out of sight?
They were mostly land-based G3N bombers so it might be hard ..
Besides im not sure if the arnaments carried by a F-15SG(bombs or missles) are enough to penetrate or do damage to a typical IJN A/C or warships of the like.. like, Yamato, since any naval engagements would have to be solely done be air
It is a variant of the F-15E, so you can use a BLU-109 (2000 lb armor piercing bomb) with either a Paveway laser seeker or GBU-15 television guided weapon, possibly even a GBU-28 (5000 lb bunker buster laser guided bomb). Either of these is several times heavier than what the Navy used for the job in WWII.
The GBU-15 is probably the best choice, just put it down the stack. Without power any ship will eventually sink.
So the only solution is either to hit and run(back to present time) ? Is there a way to have a long term engagement while researching techs? i would want to seek a alternate timeline(while introducing 21st century techs) to the forties without returning to the present .
Go back to my previous post:
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The problem is that the tools to build the tools that will make the machines that create your equipment do not exist yet, and all you have are samples of the finished products. You are so far up the tech tree that you cannot see the ground from there. And you can be pretty sure that none of your people know how to build them.
Knowing something is possible makes it easier to duplicate in some respects, you will probably achieve something approximating your equipment in 50 years instead of 70 years, but you will fail to produce all the spinoffs and serendipitous discoveries that would have come from the normal discover process. In many cases knowing the failures is more important the successes. One of the results will be that once they catch up with your 2012 technology development will stagnate due to the lack of experienced blue-sky researchers.
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I have it planned like this
The task force while deploying to a country, gets sucked into a time storm and is transported back to the forties, off the coast of Kuantan.An A6M Zero is spotted overhead flying to a destination which turns out to be the HMS Prince of Wales and HMS repulse getting attacked and the task force engages the A6M Zeroes and the G3M bombers.
After successfully engaging the task force, the HMS Wales and Repulse dock at singapore where the task force identifies itself from the future to General Percival and they warn of the 1942 invasion by Japanese forces, requesting local ammunation factories to retool (with templates for the 5.56 bullets and the 7.62) to prepare for the japanese forces.
The closest munitions work is probably in India, if there is one in the region. It will be for .303 (7.9mm) British, so retooling will extensive. Besides, the British will be short of ammunition and reluctant to convert. An additional problem will be the propellant – guns of the day used flaked nitrocellulose (single base), whereas the 7.62mm and 5.56mm need a coated double based ball powder, which has not been invented yet.
For improved weapons, see if the MP’s have any Sten Guns or Uzis in their armory. They are better suited for short range jungle warfare than the Lee Enfield or M-4/M-16, much easier to duplicate, and 9mm ammo is already available in quantity.
Besides, your people are too important to waste in jungle fighting where their technology advantage in minimized. Instead use them as cadre and set up a training program in jungle fighting, which the British did not understand at that time, they lost despite outnumbering the Japanese by 8:3. Units that deploy with the in-period forces should concentrate in the high-tech areas, especially communications.
Technological areas to exploit include:
Better, reliable, secure, communications.
Surveillance technology, especially drones and radar. You also have better equipment for monitoring the radio bands to catch the Japanese spies.
Enough high tech ammunition for probably only one decisive battle in each arena (land, sea, and air).
To maximize effectiveness you need to include a psyops component in your battles. Whenever possible block all Japanese communications during the battle, and while you can take prisoners, do not permit any survivors to return to tell what happened. Singapore becomes a black hole – Japanese go in but they don’t come out. With no information they cannot plan another attack, and their troops will be terrified.
On land the drones monitor the Japanese and British positions. Your communications will permit effective coordination and warning for infantry units, and can provide detailed direction for both your and the British artillery. Special note: If the British are using 155mm artillery at this time, that may be the only ammunition that you can readily use in your equipment.
Your radar can supply raid warning for aircraft attacks, but never use advanced weapons unless you are in a position to destroy the attacking force entirely, and then jam their communications during the engagement. Their aircraft go in, NOTHING comes out – pretty quick no one will dare fly against you, which will help because you will be very short on ammunition.
Hopefully you have some form of airborne surface search radar to spot Japanese navy surface units. Coordinate your attack with the British. Your ship borne radar should be capable of providing precise firing data to the British ships, exploit it to the maximum. That means engage the Japanese fleet only by surprise and at night, and preferably in inclement weather. The British battleships can take on the Japanese ones, with surprise and your targeting data they should have hits by the 3rd salvo, possibly before the Japanese can get to battle stations. Japanese night fighting is limited to the range of their searchlights, stay out of that and they are firing blind. Then while they are thoroughly distracted break the backs of their battleships with submarine torpedoes. Use your cruise missiles on the cruisers, and go gun-to-gun with the destroyers if necessary. Your OTO-Melara 76.2 mm cannon have the same range as their 4” guns, greater rate of fire (ship vs. ship, not gun vs. gun) and vaster better fire control.
Be sure to keep everyone out of the Japanese torpedo range.
Remember -- If it is a fair fight you are doing something wrong.
It is a variant of the F-15E, so you can use a BLU-109 (2000 lb armor piercing bomb) with either a Paveway laser seeker or GBU-15 television guided weapon, possibly even a GBU-28 (5000 lb bunker buster laser guided bomb). Either of these is several times heavier than what the Navy used for the job in WWII.
The GBU-15 is probably the best choice, just put it down the stack. Without power any ship will eventually sink.
This is dynamite fishing in a barrel.
i see thanks! i guess the GBU-28 would be the best. Not necessary bigger is larger but when it comes to capital ships one cannot afford to waste a second to sink the enemy ships when thier AA gets to battlestations. Advanced or not, all aircraft are prone to damage.
Knowing something is possible makes it easier to duplicate in some respects, you will probably achieve something approximating your equipment in 50 years instead of 70 years, but you will fail to produce all the spinoffs and serendipitous discoveries that would have come from the normal discover process. In many cases knowing the failures is more important the successes. One of the results will be that once they catch up with your 2012 technology development will stagnate due to the lack of experienced blue-sky researchers.
The closest munitions work is probably in India, if there is one in the region. It will be for .303 (7.9mm) British, so retooling will extensive. Besides, the British will be short of ammunition and reluctant to convert. An additional problem will be the propellant – guns of the day used flaked nitrocellulose (single base), whereas the 7.62mm and 5.56mm need a coated double based ball powder, which has not been invented yet.
For improved weapons, see if the MP’s have any Sten Guns or Uzis in their armory. They are better suited for short range jungle warfare than the Lee Enfield or M-4/M-16, much easier to duplicate, and 9mm ammo is already available in quantity.
Besides, your people are too important to waste in jungle fighting where their technology advantage in minimized. Instead use them as cadre and set up a training program in jungle fighting, which the British did not understand at that time, they lost despite outnumbering the Japanese by 8:3. Units that deploy with the in-period forces should concentrate in the high-tech areas, especially communications.
Technological areas to exploit include:
Better, reliable, secure, communications.
Surveillance technology, especially drones and radar. You also have better equipment for monitoring the radio bands to catch the Japanese spies.
Enough high tech ammunition for probably only one decisive battle in each arena (land, sea, and air).
To maximize effectiveness you need to include a psyops component in your battles. Whenever possible block all Japanese communications during the battle, and while you can take prisoners, do not permit any survivors to return to tell what happened. Singapore becomes a black hole – Japanese go in but they don’t come out. With no information they cannot plan another attack, and their troops will be terrified.
On land the drones monitor the Japanese and British positions. Your communications will permit effective coordination and warning for infantry units, and can provide detailed direction for both your and the British artillery. Special note: If the British are using 155mm artillery at this time, that may be the only ammunition that you can readily use in your equipment.
Your radar can supply raid warning for aircraft attacks, but never use advanced weapons unless you are in a position to destroy the attacking force entirely, and then jam their communications during the engagement. Their aircraft go in, NOTHING comes out – pretty quick no one will dare fly against you, which will help because you will be very short on ammunition.
Hopefully you have some form of airborne surface search radar to spot Japanese navy surface units. Coordinate your attack with the British. Your ship borne radar should be capable of providing precise firing data to the British ships, exploit it to the maximum. That means engage the Japanese fleet only by surprise and at night, and preferably in inclement weather. The British battleships can take on the Japanese ones, with surprise and your targeting data they should have hits by the 3rd salvo, possibly before the Japanese can get to battle stations. Japanese night fighting is limited to the range of their searchlights, stay out of that and they are firing blind. Then while they are thoroughly distracted break the backs of their battleships with submarine torpedoes. Use your cruise missiles on the cruisers, and go gun-to-gun with the destroyers if necessary. Your OTO-Melara 76.2 mm cannon have the same range as their 4” guns, greater rate of fire (ship vs. ship, not gun vs. gun) and vaster better fire control.
Be sure to keep everyone out of the Japanese torpedo range.
Remember -- If it is a fair fight you are doing something wrong.
Regarding tech transfer, it would be most advisable to totally deny any tech transfer? Or gradually let some be sent to London for testing?
Regarding ammunition supply, would the MP5N carried by the SAF SOF
be eligible for the 9X19 ammunition the British carry? as well as upgrading the Sten/Uzis? what could be done to the Sten/Uzis?
So any Jap POW taken would be indefinitely held in Singapore or executed?
So in naval engagements, hit with everything the task force's got, literally?
Regarding tech transfer, it would be most advisable to totally deny any tech transfer? Or gradually let some be sent to London for testing?
Sure send it, just don’t start a forced draft program to duplicate it at any cost. The possibilities will inspire people, but you need to allow things to develop at their own pace and in their own way. The journey is more important than the destination, and frankly it will not take that much longer.
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Regarding ammunition supply, would the MP5N carried by the SAF SOF be eligible for the 9X19 ammunition the British carry? as well as upgrading the Sten/Uzis? what could be done to the Sten/Uzis?
You are not converting or upgrading these weapons to 9x19mm, they already are. But duplicating the Sten or Uzi in bulk are well within their capabilities, the MP5N is much more exacting. The MP5N is a better weapon, but the Sten or Uzi are good enough weapons that are much easier to build in bulk, and you need a lot of them quickly if you are going to impact the jungle fighting. The British army did not issue submachine guns, i.e. the Sten gun, until later in the war.
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So any Jap POW taken would be indefinitely held in Singapore or executed?
Historically they did not manage to get many prisoners until very late in the war. Usually only when you found a Japanese soldier unconscious and captured him. So it will not be much of a problem.
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So in naval engagements, hit with everything the task force's got, literally?
There will first be a series of skirmishes where they try to get a feel for your capabilities, which you want to keep concealed as much as practical. Then they will send a task force to take you out, probably built around a couple battleships because they will know by that time that aircraft cannot survive near you, and their spies (and there were many in Singapore) will have told them that your vessels are basically destroyers (i.e. no armor). Hopefully they will not reason it out is that armor is not particularly effective against the weapons you have not shown them yet. You need to convince them that the only reason you did not use those weapons earlier was to lure him out so you could slaughter them, and hope that they remain unconvinced that you are out of ammo and are instead that the only reason you don’t continue using them afterwards is to lure them out again. That is why you want that task force to just disappear.
The problem is given your limited ammunition you simply have no alternative to bluffing them.
The lack of a technology base in WW2 can be overcome if you drop a task force in from just a little into the future, say 2020, with 3d copying technology. Theoretically you will then only need access to the raw materials ...
The lack of a technology base in WW2 can be overcome if you drop a task force in from just a little into the future, say 2020, with 3d copying technology. Theoretically you will then only need access to the raw materials ...
Those raw materials that you feed the copiers are processed nano-scale powders, which they cannot make. The purity level also has to be higher than early 20th century technology can deliver (or analyze). And you need several elements that they cannot supply in quantity, like tantalum, titanium, and most the refractory and rare earth elements, nearly a third of the periodic table in all. A few components even require man-made radioactive elements to function.
The copiers are slow, only a couple cubic meters of material an hour. Note: That is not the size of the objects, but the volume of the material that makes them up.
The copiers also can only build small parts. Granted you can assemble larger items from components, but something like the wing box for a modern airplane would probably be impossible. You could, for example, make the components for large graphite-epoxy structures (graphite strands and tape, plus the binders), but would need to figure out all the strand orientation, laminating, and curing issues on your own.
The copiers cannot make semiconductors, their scale of operation is too coarse. So no electronics, and especially no integrated circuits.
Most of your vehicles cannot use, or are limited in using, the available fuel. Anything with gas turbines (including you aircraft) will need No.1 Fuel Oil (kerosene) which will be in limited supply relative to your needs. Most of the diesel engines in your vehicles and ships can use Bunker A. The big ship with low speed diesels may have the heaters to use Bunker B, plus anything with a steam power plant.
Back then the modern navies mostly ran on Bunker B, but the older ships, and most of the merchant marine, used coal.
