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Happenings Before & During KARGIL - A Sikh's Perspective

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WORLD’S LARGEST CASTOCRACY-INDIA –humiliated by a band of Kashmiri Freedom Fighters near Kargil

SIKHS SALUTE KASHMIRI FELLOW BRAVE.

Washington,DC: June 9, 1999: Most people in India and Pakistan have not realized that the seeds for the current Indo/Pakistan firefight along the Srinagar –Dras –Somat-Kargil-Dungul Leh highway were planted way back in 1983 when the Indian Army High Command decided to lance across the 1949 UN Ceasfire Line in Kashmir (renamed the Line of Control in December 1972) spurred by a magazine article by one, Col. N. Kumar (then head of Army’s snow-warfare school on Gulmarg) which urged that India exploit Pakistan’s foolishness of withdrawal from the Line of Control.

Rest, as it is often said, is history!

It may be worthwhile to recollect that while the Pakistani Army High Command ‘slept’- it was too busy ruling the country under Martial Law and serving the American interests in Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. The Indian Army had in June 1984 not only attacked the Darbar Sahib complex in Amritsar, but had also surreptitiously breached the UN Cease-fire line in Kashmir and occupied the "unheld" higher reaches of the 65 –kilometer long Siachen glacier thirty to forty kilometers inside Pakistani –held Kashmir. Since then the adventure has cost India plenty over the fifteen years and Rs 6,000 crores (60 million rupees) to maintain its hold on the useless Siachin Glacier heights. While India’s costs are considered State secrets in Delhi the Indian military spokesman take much glee in broadcasting financially strapped Pakistan’s discomfort over spending a million rupees a day- Rs. 545 crores (5 billion rupees in the past fifteen years) and 851 causalities since 1984. "Two bald men fighting over a comb" somebody’s wisecrack aptly describes the 15 years long Siachin firefight!

The tragedy of South Asia is, that the military decision-makers of the world’s largest Castocracy –India- with a GNP of US$310-per annum per person (a truly backward and medieval country where economic and social progress depends on one’s caste and in which unfortunate land 450 million –yes 450 million-people every day have to fend for themselves looking for bushes just like animals to answer the call of nature as they have no latrines) have the chutzpa to justify the asinine very expensive high –altitude Siachin military adventure. The claim, with a straight face, that the Pakistan Army could invade the Numbra River valley of Indian occupied Ladakh after passing through the 23,000 feet high Siachin glacier. Some invasion route! Perhaps it is the hefty commissions the Europeans pay to some of India’s seven hundred Generals (Israel in comparison has on 12 Generals, yes twelve) on the sale of the very expensive high altitude clothing, weapons and equipment etc, which under the table magnifies the Pakistani threat, which the Indian military claims looms over the ‘roof of the world’ in Ladakh! Some military threat!

It is obvious that Kashmiri partisans, with support from their Baltistani and Gilgiti compatriots of Pakistani- held in Kashmir took a leaf out of the Indian book, and followed exactly the Siachin pattern, in the Kargil –Dras sector which is so much in the news these days. Realizing that the poorly led half million strong Indian army of occupation, too busy killing and raping innocent Kashmiri civilians, had not occupied till spring this year the high ground (18,000 to 21,000 feet) India had captured during the 1971 Bangladesh war overlooking the Dras- Kargil-Lalu Dungul road. The Kashmiri Freedom fighters changed their tactics and entrenched themselves above that road which links Srinagar to Leh in Indian occupied Ladakh.

Hawkish junior Pakistan army officers, some of them bearded, frustrated by their seniors ‘caution’ and the Western world’s 15-years long silence over the Indian high-handedness in Siachin (where the Indian Army had maliciously breached the Line of Control in 1984 ad was occupying a vast stretch of territory) most probably gave more than a ‘thumbs up sign’ to the Kashmiri partisans who meticulously conceived the Kargil operation which is being currently carried out brilliantly, and very courageously. The Kargil operation, while continuing to humble, tumble and crumble the flabby Indian Army of Occupation in Kashmir, is obviously also making every Pakistani and most Muslim and Sikh Kashmiri neighbors in Indian occupied Kashmir- a vast majority in the transport business- who are not too enamored with the Indian Army of occupation which has became corrupt as the police.

It is almost certain that the world’s Army Staff Colleges will study the How’s and Why’s of the Kashmiri partisan’s brilliantly conceived and magnificently executed Kargil operation successfully carried out against a so called professional army. It is hoped they try to fins answers to the following questions also:-

a)How could the Kashmiri partisans fooled so many ‘fingers’ of Indian intelligence –RAW, SSB, Intelligence Bureau, Military Intelligence, Air Force Intelligence, Kashmir Police etc., etc., operating along the cease-fire line – all of whom failed to spot the concentration of Kashmiri Freedom fighters on one mountain range above the Dras-Kargil road?

b)How come the mighty one and half million strong Indian army, after 30 days of skirmishes with a band of few hundred partisans entrenched on one mountain has to scout around the world for artillery and other ammunition as it is doing now- see Indian Express of June 3, 1999; "India shops abroad for ammunition" and the latest Jane’s Defense Weekly?

c)How come India had to deploy a force of 50,000 soldiers in an attempt to dislodge a lightly armed band of a couple of hundred Kashmiri partisans, a mind boggling ratio of 100 to 1, and still be bogged down on the ground despite the passage of one full month of ‘combat’ under Indian Airforce and artillery cover?

d)Why would a so-called democratic secular India ban, and thus deny its people, the "pretty ineffectual Pakistan TV known for its shoddy productions, blatant biases in news, and a pronounced tendency to hector and harangue" as one Indian newspaper called it just because the Indian Army is combating a couple of hundred Kashmiri Freedom fighters on some remote mountain?

e)How come a band of lightly armed Kashmiri Freedom fighters dug in on a Kargil mountainside trashed in May 1999 the new strategic reality of India’s nuclear prowess LK Advani , India’s Home Minister, bragged about in May of 1988 following the Indian nuclear tests?

This column is being dedicated to fellow braves perched on a Kargil mountainside who have shown the world not only how to fight and how to die but also how to humiliate an enemy. BRAVO! WE SIKHS SALUTE OUR KASHMIRI BROTHERS FIGHTING TO FREE THEMSELVES FROM UNDER THE BRAHMINS YOKE!

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The entire world knows that it was the Pak Army that the IA was fighting in Kargil. Even Pak posters here will admit that. You're posting stupid anti-India propaganda which would lead to a flame fest rather than meaningful discussions.
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Lets not have this get out of control folks.

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This is stupid propaganda thread. Doesn't even warrant a discussion.
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It's absolutely true that there were no so called freedom fighters involved in Kargil. They were all regular Pak Army Soilders or SSG personal. No doubt about that. The fact remains that they executed their mission well.

This is no propaganda. It's full of facts who some might find bitter but Mr srirangan you can always choose to ignore my postings. I never replied to urs until u took matters personally.

And from now on i will be ignoring you.
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This is no propaganda. It's full of facts
This is propaganda. The sikhs in India are celebrating the first sikh Prime Minister and not saluting dead Pak soldiers. Isn't it true that the Pak establishment even refused to take back the dead bodies of its own soldiers, claiming to the world that they were jehadi's.

That speaks a lot of the integrity of the establishment.
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Relax everyone. Post your side of the story and move on. Don't try to change minds here, it ain't possible.
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No matter how much anyone disagrees; they would be delussional to not to acknowledge the 'military' success of the Kargil operation (setting the political repurcussions that came later aisde).
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[Admin Edit: Irrelevent to the topic. Its about KARGIL from a SIKH perspect, NOT sikh rebellion!]
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Now, LETS GET BACK TO THE TOPIC! Sikh rebellion of 80s does not have anything to do with Kargil war. Lets keep things in perspective here!
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Now, LETS GET BACK TO THE TOPIC! Sikh rebellion of 80s does not have anything to do with Kargil war. Lets keep things in perspective here!
The Article is by a sikh extremist organisations advocating rebellion, its titled as a sikh perspective , I wonder how does one keep the Sikh "rebellion " out of it.Proper analysis of history is not done in an isolated manner.

in any case the aricle is quite contradictory and rather out of date .
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