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This is a discussion on Great Commanders in History within the Military Strategy and Tactics forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; [quote="alexandros_gre_2004"] Originally Posted by Sep By the way i am a persian so i am probebly really biased here it ...


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Old November 22nd, 2004   #46
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By the way i am a persian so i am probebly really biased here
it is because you told us in a previous message that the hellenic troops were iron covered, the persians probably knew it so they had to be more prepared if the wanted to beat them.
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And at the other hand the persians should be prepared for the iron covered hellenic forces if they really wanted to face them up and finally to beat them!
I'm not sure what has happened here, but your format is messed up, and I'm having trouble comprehending your answer. Would you please fix it up or retype a new one so that everyone can understand your point.
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And you have also to know that the persians burned twice the city of Athens when they came in Hellas, a city which was without citizens because all of the residents learned about Mardoniu's army and they moved to Salamina. You have also to know that the persians army destroyed and killed all of the residents of a city which was called Eretria. Also, Alexander the great burned Persrepolis in order to have a revence for the atheneans and for all the hellenics cities that suffered so many things from the invantion of the persian army. You have also to know that when Alexander caught the family of Darius, after the battle of Gaugamila, he treated them as a king family not as slaves. Also when the persians found the camp with the injured greek soldiers they killed them all. So Alexander the great had many reasons to burn Persepolis. And something else when Xerxes found the dead Leonidas after the battle of Therompylae, ordered to cut his head and to put it on a stick, but after the battle of Marathon where the Atheneans with the Plateans beated the persian army, they ordered the rest of the persians to bury their dead persians soldiers with honours. Something that also Alexander the great used to do after a battle.

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By the way, I am a hellenic guy so I am very well informed about all this stuff! :P

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fieldmarshal you have also to know that macedonia is a part of greece just like athens or sparta, so it is greek too. you have also to know that the nations there is now and want to be called ''MACEDONIA'' is a nation of peple that they came and stayed a little bit norther from they real macedonia many centuries after the victorys of alexander the great

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Admin: Please do NOT daisychain responses when you can edit them into the one post. It makes it looks as though you are just posting to build up your tally count.

Please learn how to use the editing function as well. I have had to fix up 4 posts now.
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alexandros i can tell by ur post that ur a greek and hence cant accept the reality that greece and macedonia are 2 distinct entities. This fact has been amply demostrated by the US govt. which has decided to recognize mecodonia as a seperate entity/country from greece and the recognition of the mecadonian flag & also the usage of the words "Republic of Mecedonia" in all offical US documents and all bilateral documents. SO wake up man as preteding like an ostrige wont make the storm go away
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alexandros i can tell by ur post that ur a greek and hence cant accept the reality that greece and macedonia are 2 distinct entities. This fact has been amply demostrated by the US govt. which has decided to recognize mecodonia as a seperate entity/country from greece and the recognition of the mecadonian flag & also the usage of the words "Republic of Mecedonia" in all offical US documents and all bilateral documents. SO wake up man as preteding like an ostrige wont make the storm go away
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if you want to know more about macedonia just visit this site http://truth.macedonia.gr/
And my friend, this is you that you have to wake up!!!!!!!
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Back to the topic of "Great Commanders", perhaps we might wish to state the scope and criteria of what defines a great commander e.g. tactics, innovative application of technology etc. And also time frames in relevance to their battles and achievements?

Could we also leave the hero-worshipping and chest thumping at home for the kids and concentrate more on how these commanders think and what makes them tick?

Let me start the ball by asking for some of the great ancient world commanders or strategists and with reference and material to support such claims. By ancient world, I meant ancient Rome, China, Mesopotamia etc.

Once again, just the facts and leave the rabid vitriol at the door, thank you.
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I say Hanibal of chartage is a great commander. read his story and u see why i say that.
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No no, this won't do. You must present the feats of Hannibal e.g. the wide flanking operational march through the Italian Alps, his tactics during the annihilation of the Romans Legions at Cannae etc and any facts to back it up.

Incidentally, he was defeated by another Great Commander of his time, Scipio Africanus, who hoist Hannibal with his own petard ie taking the fight to Carthage.

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here one of the good reference

http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/
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Pendeakar, we prefer people to make comments outlining with their own words + supporting links.

If people just add links you will find that the majority of people will not be bothered responding as it does not stimulate or provide an incentive for debate.

We're interested in why people think some of these commanders are deserving of the title - not just because a web site has "all of" your answers.
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If you were to move your mouse over the words "Hannibal Barca" in my earlier post, you will find its the same link.

Another good source of information on Hannibal and his career can be found at : http://phoenicia.org/punicwar.html. A personal observation is the webmaster's or owner's preamble about the Phoenician's origins suspected Semitic origins and it not being open to dispute. Overall quite a good read.
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Pendeakar, we prefer people to make comments outlining with their own words + supporting links.

If people just add links you will find that the majority of people will not be bothered responding as it does not stimulate or provide an incentive for debate.

We're interested in why people think some of these commanders are deserving of the title - not just because a web site has "all of" your answers.
Well said. Since we are on the subject of Hannibal for the moment, allow me to make this observation on his early formative years. It is interesting to note that his father, Hamilcar Barca indoctrinated him and instilled in him such a hate for Rome. In most of the commanders or generals who have made their mark in history, I believe few can match this part of Hannibal.

Next would be his great flanking operation up through the Straits of Gibraltar into Spain and over the Alps. At that time, it must be a logistics nightmare and I believe his army would have been depleted and demoralised. To keep his army intact at the end of such an ordeal speak volumes of his charisma and command presence.

Any comments or interest in discussing Hannibal's exploits? It would be nice if there is a similar study on his "student", Scipio Africanus.
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