Which do you think was/is the Greatest Empire ever?

[ashblackhawk]

Originally Posted by mysterious

The thing is, people who live in that area (you call it Middle-East, I call it Near-East because Middle-East is such a euro-centric term) were alwayz Arabs! They didn't 'change' from time to time. Its just that when the region was called Sumeria, they were called Sumerians, when it was dominated by Mesopotamia, they came to be known as Mesopotamians; but all those names vanished because of the long-lasting name Arabia of that place and so they came to be known as Arabs to this day! Hope that makes sense. This is applicable to all parts of the world.

Ashblackhawk, pasukangeraktjepat is right that Islamic values and commandments 'urged' the people to strive and make that extra effort to learn what they did and drive the world ahead! Your wordings that the foundation of Islam was 'eventually' laid seemz to be overwhelmingly out of place as Islam wasn't something that was being schemed behind closed doors by some waiting for the right time to expose it to the people outside! It was a revelation that came to the Prophet based on God's decision when to send it.

Finally I would like to advise that whenever you are using a religion's name and/or using its name to refer to something, please use a capital letter at the beginning to show mutual respect around in here. Will be appreciated!

I think what you are trying to say here does not have any evidence around. My point is if you think that assyrians, sumerians were arabs then why did suddenly they gave up their beliefs and started following Islam ? These must be a gradual process but where are these hard evidence ? its important that arabic countries should encourage excavations around the historical places to find out what lies inside the earth. The truth should be down there somewhere !!

[srirangan]

They weren't arabs.

[mysterious]

My GOD! I dont know if you guyz ever 'think' before posting?

Originally Posted by ashblackhawk

... My point is if you think that assyrians, sumerians were arabs then why did suddenly they gave up their beliefs and started following Islam ? These must be a gradual process but where are these hard evidence ? ...

Ashblackhawk, a person who follows Islam is a Muslim and not an ARAB!! People who live in that 'specific' region are called Arabs! (Ever heard of the statement that there are more non-Arab Muslims in the world than Arab Muslims??) That is why we have Arab Christians, Arab Jews, etc. Being an Arab does NOT mean that the person is automatically a Muslim.

And you took an entirely different meaning of my last post than I was implying. I was merely trying to say that people living in that region haven't changed in features or skin color, etc much since time immemorial and Arab has become their 'name' or how you refer to them (if you want to put a label) because of the long lasting name of the region - ARABIA! If to this day, Sumeria or Mesopotamia had lasted, today they'd be known as Sumerians or Mesopotamians! Take Rome for example, if today Rome had existed instead of the different nation-states that are there, the people living there would be known as Romans and not what they're known as today!

Please take a course in anthropology if you still dont understand what I'm trying to say - same goes for the person with the one liner.

[srirangan]

People who live in that s livin 'specific' region are called Arabs!

Please take a course in anthropology if you still dont understand what I'm trying to say - same goes for the person with the one liner.

Its you who needs that course. Not all people living in Saudi Arabia are arabs. Arabs are a semetic ethnicity. Arab refers to an ethnicity. Ahmed Ali Shah (SABRE) is an Arab but not living in that region. There can be non-Arabs in the Arabian region.

[mysterious]

I didnt even come to that yet. I was only talking about the issue being raised by Ashblackhawk! And where exactly does the Arab ethnicity come from? It comes from that 'specific' region. There is no discussion on immigrants for now. It was a basic explanation for ashblackhawk on the raised issue.

[ashblackhawk]

Originally Posted by mysterious

My GOD! I dont know if you guyz ever 'think' before posting?



I was merely trying to say that people living in that region haven't changed in features or skin color, etc much since time immemorial and Arab has become their 'name' or how you refer to them (if you want to put a label) because of the long lasting name of the region - ARABIAPlease take a course in anthropology if you still dont understand what I'm trying to say - same goes for the person with the one liner.

What you have written in this post above it is even kids know it, and i knew these basic stuff when i started learning world history in school, you better check who sumerians, assyrians and mesopotamians are and where they came from because nobody even know weather they had the same skin colour as arabs. Do you know it ?

[mysterious]

Anywayz, I've had enough of this baby sitting lesson on anthro. I dont have time to keep banging my head against a wall. I'll let it rest for now.