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Chavez and Castro

This is a discussion on Chavez and Castro within the Military Strategy and Tactics forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Do you think that Hugo would send in military to help the Cuban government when(if?) Fidel dies?Would the USA do ...


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Old August 5th, 2007   #1
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Do you think that Hugo would send in military to help the Cuban government when(if?) Fidel dies?Would the USA do something should this happen?Are there US military forces in the area(not Guantanamo) that could stop such an action? Would the OAS be able to do anything?
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I will just say that Castro and Chavez are very close allies. Both want to counter U.S. influence in the region. Both countries use Soviet/Russian arms primarily.
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I'm unclear how sending in Venezuelan troops helps Cuba. What would they be there for?
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I'm unclear how sending in Venezuelan troops helps Cuba. What would they be there for?
I think he was saying that if the US tries to invade Cuba after Fidel dies Venezuela might send troop to help out Cuba. I really see no point in them sending troops under such a scenario. If the US wants to invade Cuba it's going to invade Cuba.
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I will just say that Castro and Chavez are very close allies. Both want to counter U.S. influence in the region. Both countries use Soviet/Russian arms primarily.
Venezuela has only just begun to use Russian arms. Its existing stocks of arms, particularly heavy equipment, are overwhelmingly US & European, & it has always bought US & European arms in the past. e.g. Italian frigates, German submarines, F-5, Mirage & F-16, AMX-30 tanks . . .
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Venezuela has only just begun to use Russian arms. Its existing stocks of arms, particularly heavy equipment, are overwhelmingly US & European, & it has always bought US & European arms in the past. e.g. Italian frigates, German submarines, F-5, Mirage & F-16, AMX-30 tanks . . .
You are right, I'm wrong. However with the new communist/socialist government under Chavez, they will certainly buy Russian weapons. They won't buy from the west anymore.
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You are right, I'm wrong. However with the new communist/socialist government under Chavez, they will certainly buy Russian weapons. They won't buy from the west anymore.
True. The Su-30s are a start.
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True. The Su-30s are a start.
Also, Chavez recently visited Moscow for talks with President Putin. What came of those?

As far as I know, Venezuela has also already purchased tens of thousands of AK 101s (or AK 74s) They are also considering Kilos, right?
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Venezuela has only just begun to use Russian arms. Its existing stocks of arms, particularly heavy equipment, are overwhelmingly US & European, & it has always bought US & European arms in the past. e.g. Italian frigates, German submarines, F-5, Mirage & F-16, AMX-30 tanks . . .
Can they still get parts for their F-16's? Or do they have to canibalize from one plane to fly the next?
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Can they still get parts for their F-16's? Or do they have to canibalize from one plane to fly the next?
I'm about 99% sure that the U.S. has banned the sale of spare parts to Venezuela. The F-16 aquisition was made when they were more friendly to the U.S. And as with many others that can't get spare parts for their American hardware, they've gone Russian.
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I'm about 99% sure that the U.S. has banned the sale of spare parts to Venezuela. The F-16 aquisition was made when they were more friendly to the U.S. And as with many others that can't get spare parts for their American hardware, they've gone Russian.
They did ban sales of F-16 spare parts to Venezuela. It's kind of funny becuase they had contract rules the US had to abide by and they broke them when they banned the sale of F-16 parts to them (they also refused to give back the money Venezuela already paid for spare parts) and when Venezuela said something about selling the planes to another F-16 operator the US said "well that's breaking the rules of the contract" .
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They did ban sales of F-16 spare parts to Venezuela. It's kind of funny becuase they had contract rules the US had to abide by and they broke them when they banned the sale of F-16 parts to them (they also refused to give back the money Venezuela already paid for spare parts) and when Venezuela said something about selling the planes to another F-16 operator the US said "well that's breaking the rules of the contract" .
Thats not the first time the U.S. has stopped selling parts to countries with American made weapons. But when relations become unfriendly, these things happen.
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I think he was saying that if the US tries to invade Cuba after Fidel dies Venezuela might send troop to help out Cuba. I really see no point in them sending troops under such a scenario. If the US wants to invade Cuba it's going to invade Cuba.
I think someone is seriously misreading the political tea leaves if they think the US will do anything with Cuba militarily. There is no political will to do such a thing, no popular interest, and no means (with everything in Iraq right now).
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I think someone is seriously misreading the political tea leaves if they think the US will do anything with Cuba militarily. There is no political will to do such a thing, no popular interest, and no means (with everything in Iraq right now).
I didn't say an invasion was eminent! I was just saying if the US wants to do it they would do it. The guy said that Venezuela might help out militarily I just said there would be no point under such a scenario. Please read the post again where did I say I think the US will invade Cuba?
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I didn't say an invasion was eminent! I was just saying if the US wants to do it they would do it. The guy said that Venezuela might help out militarily I just said there would be no point under such a scenario. Please read the post again where did I say I think the US will invade Cuba?
To me the last sentence implies that you think it's possible. Sorry if I misinterpreted.
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