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ARMY TRAINERS RENAMED IN HONOUR OF VIETNAM HEROES

Australian troops assisting with the training of the Iraqi armed forces will now be known as the Australian Army Training Team Iraq (AATTI) in honour of their Vietnam War predecessors, the Chief of Army Lieutenant General Peter Leahy announced today.

"The Australian Army is built on a long and proud history and its soldiers are inspired by the deeds of those who have served before us." Lieutenant General Leahy said.

"Therefore it is fitting that we acknowledge the soldiers of the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam (AATTV) by renaming their modern day counterparts the Australian Army Training Team - Iraq."

The team, originally known as the Iraqi Army Training Team, has deployed to help develop a complete Iraqi Army Brigade – from the development of its officers and soldiers to mentoring the Brigade as it trains the new Iraqi soldiers.


The Australian Army has had a small team of training advisers working with the New Iraqi Army since July 2003. In May 2004, the main training team deployed to Iraq with the major task of training the Iraqi Army Brigade. The Australian training team currently consists of 50 Army officers and soldiers. The training they provide includes the full range of professional military and practical skills, implementing orders and instructions, fitness, weapons training and protection and has established a strong foundation for an Iraqi Army Brigade.

"The original Australian Army Training Team Vietnam was a small elite team that is one of the most highly decorated units in the Australian Army. They personified the Army’s values of courage, initiative and teamwork and are an important part of the history of the Australian Army," Lieutenant General Leahy said.


The team was raised and sent to Vietnam in 1962 and remained until the end of 1972. From an original team of 30 it expanded to 100 personnel in 1965 and reached a peak of 200 members. It consisted mainly of officers, warrant officers and sergeants who were experts in jungle warfare. The unit continuously served for over ten years making it the longest serving unit of any service in any theatre of war.


The team was awarded a Presidential Unit Citation, US Meritorious Unit Commendation, a Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry with Palm - Unit Citation and members of the team were awarded four Victoria Cross’, a number of Military Cross’ and numerous Mention in Dispatches.

Just one little correction, the Australian Army Training Team - Vietnam IS the single most highly decorated unit in the Australian Army, though for how much longer is unknown. They seem to be handing out medals like "Yanks" nowadays... (No disrespect intended to any Americans here)...

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the iraquis are being supplied with ak rifles?
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They are, but the "new" Iraqi forces will be mostly using "refurbished" weapons from the "old" Iraqi forces. If you look at these AK's, they appear to be refurbished and painted in a "low viz" scheme, rather than the shiny wood and metal combo you usually see in AK's (not my personal favourite combo for concealment)...
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Is it me or is the aussie in second pic look like an old man?
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He looks really really old for sure.
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he looks old but has that look of a master.he looks like astrix
aussie digger - does aussie army march with rifles on shoulder(shoulder-arms)?
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No the basic drill when marching for the Australian Army (other than "present arms") is for the rifle to be held in tight against the right hand side of the body, with the barrel pointing to the ground and with your right hand on the pistol grip.

The sling comes from the front of the optical sight under the right arm and then comes over the back and angled across the front of your body over the left shoulder, back down to the weapon. The weapon stays locked in tight against your body and your left arm only swings.

The present arms movement is conducted at a standstill and involves the weapon being brought through 180 degrees with the barrel pointing vertically upwards and the left hand being brought across so the fingers just rest on the magazine. A bayonet is normally fitted to the rifle for parades, marches etc. These are the 2 basic movements of Australian drill with a weapon these days. There are a couple of other movements for The Cenotaph (rest at arms etc), but these are rarely performed. I'll try and dig up some photo's...

We also have a unit known as "The Federation Guard" which is a full time drill team, which practises a lot more
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Here is the rest at arms movement at the Cenotaph in East Timor during Anzac Day, 26 April 2004.



Here's a clearer photo.



Here's a photo of how the rifle is carried when marching by Australian troops.



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That guy is fairly old, but he is also a Warrant Officer Class 1, which is the highest non-commissioned rank in the Australian Army, this person would probably be the RSM (Regimental Sergeant Major) of a unit back in Australia. It takes a long time to achieve this rank in Australia and a great deal of respect is afforded to those who achieve it...
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That guy is fairly old, but he is also a Warrant Officer Class 1, which is the highest non-commissioned rank in the Australian Army, this person would probably be the RSM (Regimental Sergeant Major) of a unit back in Australia. It takes a long time to achieve this rank in Australia and a great deal of respect is afforded to those who achieve it...
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No the basic drill when marching for the Australian Army (other than "present arms") is for the rifle to be held in tight against the right hand side of the body, with the barrel pointing to the ground and with your right hand on the pistol grip.

The sling comes from the front of the optical sight under the right arm and then comes over the back and angled across the front of your body over the left shoulder, back down to the weapon. The weapon stays locked in tight against your body and your left arm only swings.

The present arms movement is conducted at a standstill and involves the weapon being brought through 180 degrees with the barrel pointing vertically upwards and the left hand being brought across so the fingers just rest on the magazine. A bayonet is normally fitted to the rifle for parades, marches etc. These are the 2 basic movements of Australian drill with a weapon these days. There are a couple of other movements for The Cenotaph (rest at arms etc), but these are rarely performed. I'll try and dig up some photo's...

We also have a unit known as "The Federation Guard" which is a full time drill team, which practises a lot more
slightly different from indian army drill...indian army marches with rifle held tight against right handside,but with the barrel ponting up,the rifle being held by your middle finger hooked through the trigger guard.and no sling across your body.the drill is pretty much british.nothing has changed,except for the word of command.the present arms that you mentioned is also there in indian army,but thats only for officers below the rank of lieutenant colonel.officers above that rank get a full present arms(salaam-i-shastr).
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AD, how can u tell the old man is a Sergeant Major? I don't see the rank insignia on his BDU.

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You are quite right, Pathfinder, he is in fact "only" a WO2 (Warrant Officer Class 2, rather than Class 1). I just realised my error...

His rank is on his sleeves as all Australian NCO ranks are. Only Commisioned officer's have their rank on their epauletes, though this is soon to change with the iminent introduction of rank slides on the front of the shirt.

Sergeant Major is a title in the Australian Army as opposed to a rank, similar in concept to I guess to an adjutant. (It's a position, not a rank). The NCO rank structure in the Australian Army is Lance- Corporal, Corporal, Sergeant W02, W01.

A person can be a Company (CSM), Squadron (SSM) or Battery (BSM) Sergeant Major and they will be a Warrant Officer Class 2. W01's are Regimental Sergeant Major's, normally. Unit has an RSM and each sub unit a CSM/SSM/BSM depending on the corps.
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hey aussie digger... can i have your email please, want to ask you something , can private msg you for some reason thnx...
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hey aussie digger... can i have your email please, want to ask you something , can private msg you for some reason thnx...
I'm not posting it on a public website like this, but will ask Webs, why you can't private message me. Hold on...

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