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mcgregoruk December 16th, 2004 08:33 PM

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no offense intended to you Sir!! but i just had to say what i felt, it was an unreasonable behavior this is how you spark hostility with the locals. you can easily tie hands up place them in the corner(guarded). read them whatever rights they have. isn't the searching the first thing what your meant to have done. Alot of people think i'm writing Anti Indian stuf, but i'm not, i didn't mind any of the other Gurkha pics , infact they were qiuet amazing pics, what really got me going was the miss treatment (if they do that in an exercise then i'm sure it would be done in real life) and Laliths inhumane comments. if Troops like theses patrol the streets of Kashmir, then i'm not amazed that the locals have chosen to retaliate. Do you see my point its not Anti indian is Anti brutality, you need policing tactics. not combat troops with War cries.
I agree entirely with you regarding inhumane treatment: certain people in Iraq come to mind: however the "hearts and minds" work comes after the search. The number of SEPs (Surrendered Enemy Personnel) we dealt with proves I think that we had the right attitude as they went back into the jungle to get their friends out.

mcgregoruk

mcgregoruk December 16th, 2004 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgregoruk
mcgregoruk ex Gurkha Brigade.

Welcome to DT, am curious as to what unit you were with and what dates. I've had some dealings with brits out of that era, so we might have some common ground here.

what rank were you at the time?

Left the Indian Army in 47 at partition. Transfered back to British Army. Demobbed. Went to Malaya as a rubber planter but worked with 6GR and Malayan Scouts "ferreting" in my area. Fillingham was C.O. then if I remember correctly. Was also Hon. Inspector of F of M Police.

Were you RAR or with the other Aussie mob that was out there? Nantos Bar was my favourite hang out in K.L.

mcgregoruk

gf0012-aust December 16th, 2004 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gf0012-aust
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Originally Posted by mcgregoruk
mcgregoruk ex Gurkha Brigade.

Welcome to DT, am curious as to what unit you were with and what dates. I've had some dealings with brits out of that era, so we might have some common ground here.

what rank were you at the time?

Left the Indian Army in 47 at partition. Transfered back to British Army. Demobbed. Went to Malaya as a rubber planter but worked with 6GR and Malayan Scouts "ferreting" in my area. Fillingham was C.O. then if I remember correctly. Was also Hon. Inspector of F of M Police.

Were you RAR or with the other Aussie mob that was out there? Nantos Bar was my favourite hang out in K.L.

mcgregoruk

No mate, I'm not a pongo, ;) I've got water legs. No offence, but you must be nudging the high side of your 60's (assuming you were but a cherub when you enlisted ;))

I'm not that fond of malaysia, I had some bad personal experiences there with corruption. Cost me a wad of money not to get arrested at one point - which was even more irritating when you consider I was a passing innocent.

KL is one city that I'll never voluntarily visit ever again.

Wasn't Fillingham ex RAF?

mcgregoruk December 17th, 2004 05:38 AM

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No mate, I'm not a pongo, ;) I've got water legs. No offence, but you must be nudging the high side of your 60's (assuming you were but a cherub when you enlisted ;))

I'm not that fond of malaysia, I had some bad personal experiences there with corruption. Cost me a wad of money not to get arrested at one point - which was even more irritating when you consider I was a passing innocent.

KL is one city that I'll never voluntarily visit ever again.

Wasn't Fillingham ex RAF?
I am verging on 78.
Malaysia is a big collection of countries as you know. I am not particularly fond of Indionesia. In 53 I helped smuggle a Dutch planter, one of the few remaining, out of the country; they were after his blood. We had the whole bit with screeching tyres on the madly driven jeeps etc. along the dockside.

The Fillingham brothers (2) were both Gurkha officers and kept switching regiments in order to stay in the brigade.

I take it you were Aussie Navy then?

mcgregoruk

insas556 December 17th, 2004 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mcgregoruk
no offense intended to you Sir!! but i just had to say what i felt, it was an unreasonable behavior this is how you spark hostility with the locals. s.

No problem at all.Did not know that you were a gentlemen of 78. I hope i would be as active as you are when i am that :)

mcgregoruk December 17th, 2004 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mcgregoruk
no offense intended to you Sir!! but i just had to say what i felt, it was an unreasonable behavior this is how you spark hostility with the locals. s.

No problem at all.Did not know that you were a gentlemen of 78. I hope i would be as active as you are when i am that :)

I think you got my post mixed up with another chap's work. All the same in the end though. New American pics are horrendous. How on earth, if one is going to behave like that, does one allow someone to photograph it.

mcgregoruk

mcgregoruk December 19th, 2004 10:03 AM

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I think you got my post mixed up with another chap's work. All the same in the end though. New American pics are horrendous. How on earth, if one is going to behave like that, does one allow someone to photograph it.

mcgregoruk[/quote]

I seem to have killed this thread off. Is it because I am an ex-Rupert?

mcgregoruk

gf0012-aust December 22nd, 2004 12:16 AM

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I think you got my post mixed up with another chap's work. All the same in the end though. New American pics are horrendous. How on earth, if one is going to behave like that, does one allow someone to photograph it.

mcgregoruk

I seem to have killed this thread off. Is it because I am an ex-Rupert?

mcgregoruk
Nope, being a rupert doesn't affect responses, most in here would have no idea what it is either. ;)

I'm only intermittently here as I'm currently OS for work. So avail time is limited.

xeron December 22nd, 2004 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gf0012-aust
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Originally Posted by mcgregoruk
mcgregoruk ex Gurkha Brigade.

Welcome to DT, am curious as to what unit you were with and what dates. I've had some dealings with brits out of that era, so we might have some common ground here.

what rank were you at the time?

Left the Indian Army in 47 at partition. Transfered back to British Army. Demobbed. Went to Malaya as a rubber planter but worked with 6GR and Malayan Scouts "ferreting" in my area. Fillingham was C.O. then if I remember correctly. Was also Hon. Inspector of F of M Police.

Were you RAR or with the other Aussie mob that was out there? Nantos Bar was my favourite hang out in K.L.

mcgregoruk

Mr. Mcgregor, You were in the Indian army u say, where were u posted, not that i am from that era but just curious to know.

[Mod edit: Red aRRow: Corrective edit.]

adsH December 22nd, 2004 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by insas556
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Originally Posted by mcgregoruk
no offense intended to you Sir!! but i just had to say what i felt, it was an unreasonable behavior this is how you spark hostility with the locals. s.

No problem at all.Did not know that you were a gentlemen of 78. I hope i would be as active as you are when i am that :)

I think you got my post mixed up with another chap's work. All the same in the end though. New American pics are horrendous. How on earth, if one is going to behave like that, does one allow someone to photograph it.

mcgregoruk

i do understand that the American troops lack experience and policing experience, some of these kids in the pic, US soldiers are on there first round of duty after there intial training, i wouldn't expect much from them anyway. But i would praise Our British troops for how they perferom there duty's they do give us a reason to be proud of them.
Sir, Are you living in the UK, just curious.

mcgregoruk December 22nd, 2004 08:37 PM

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Mr. Mcgregor, You were in the Indian army u say, where were u posted, not that i am from that era but just curious to know.

[Mod edit: Red aRRow: Corrective edit.]
Bangalore, Dehra Dun and finaly to Wana in Waziristan; known in the old days as the North West Frontier: funnily enough we were fighting over the same area as they are now looking for OBL. Freezing in the Winter and baking in the Summer.

I live in the UK.

mcgregoruk

srirangan December 23rd, 2004 12:19 AM

Dehra Dun would've been a beauty back then I suppose. Now its just too commercialized. Yep and its still called NWFP.

adsH December 23rd, 2004 12:39 AM

yeah the brits never could control the damn region of wana, waziristan(compartmentalized as NWFP), the damn people are too hard headed, you need to be a pat'han to fight one, and thats what Pak army is doing its using its stationed Provincial para troops to fight the Sub section of the agency. all the rest of the tribes are behind pak army but this damn tribe of 30000 militia men are too damn independent. id' imagine them fighting about territorial rights rather then OBL. to fight the tribe you have to be very political and you have to win the support of its neighboring tribe which is most likely blood thirsty for the other anyway. its like using the enemy of the enemy to do the job, but you have to be closely allied to the tribe to actually get some work done.

srirangan December 23rd, 2004 12:44 AM

The people of that region don't recognize the durrand line. This could become a huge worry for Afghanistan and Pakistan is the coming years.

adsH December 23rd, 2004 01:40 AM

i think thats one of the problems the tribe thinks its in the noman's land a state of its own, while its clearly Pak territory, it will have to comply one way or the other, trust me Sri Patahan in the wild are not a pleasant site they are dangerous people.


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