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South American Armed ForcesThis is a discussion on South American Armed Forces within the Military Defense forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by ROCK45
Maybe some kind of deal will be worked out with the UAE for the Mirage 2000-5/9 ... |
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June 6th, 2008
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Maybe some kind of deal will be worked out with the UAE for the Mirage 2000-5/9 fighters down the road, one never knows. One thing for sure they won't be cheap the UAE paid top dollar for those fighters. Brazil would have themselves a capable fleet of fighters which would match up pretty nicely against other South American air forces.
On a side note nothing to do with the UAE or Brazil, France just put 9 F1 Rafale's in storage not long ago.
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Those Rafales have been replaced in service by Rafale F2s, & are planned to be upgraded to F3 standard later. I don't see them being offered for sale, or anyone being interested in a handful of Rafales at a standard which will soon no longer exist elsewhere.
Yes, the possibility of the UAE retiring its Mirage 2000s opens up interesting opportunities. Let's see: India scraps or reduces the MMRCA deal, negotiates a 3-way deal with France in which the French take the M2Ks in part exchange for Rafales (picking up the Qatari planes at the same time) & sells them on to India, with an upgrade package (to be carried out in India, of course)?  That would give India about 120 M2K, of which 50 or so would be fairly new & low hours.
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June 6th, 2008
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Those Rafales have been replaced in service by Rafale F2s, & are planned to be upgraded to F3 standard later. I don't see them being offered for sale, or anyone being interested in a handful of Rafales at a standard which will soon no longer exist elsewhere.
Yes, the possibility of the UAE retiring its Mirage 2000s opens up interesting opportunities. Let's see: India scraps or reduces the MMRCA deal, negotiates a 3-way deal with France in which the French take the M2Ks in part exchange for Rafales (picking up the Qatari planes at the same time) & sells them on to India, with an upgrade package (to be carried out in India, of course)? That would give India about 120 M2K, of which 50 or so would be fairly new & low hours. |
I will go with a long shot. . . . India and Brazil are now cash rich as emerging market countries with positive balance sheets and cash flows. Unfortunately both have slow bureaucratic processes which run at a snail's pace which means MRCA is further delayed and subsequently scrapped like Brazil's previous F-X program. We are now well past 2012 and only one viable contender remains, . . the F-35 JSF.
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June 7th, 2008
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If we're past 2012, then we're pretty much in open waters. Anything, from the Chinese J-XX to the PAK-FA, to the Russo-India 5th gen. (if it is indeed a different project rather then the PAK-FA). By then even the F-22 could end up cleared for export (around 2020-25).
I'm surprised everyone overlooks the Venezuelan air force. They have the most modern aicraft in the region.
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June 7th, 2008
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If we're past 2012, then we're pretty much in open waters. Anything, from the Chinese J-XX to the PAK-FA, to the Russo-India 5th gen. (if it is indeed a different project rather then the PAK-FA). By then even the F-22 could end up cleared for export (around 2020-25).
I'm surprised everyone overlooks the Venezuelan air force. They have the most modern aicraft in the region.
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I wouldn't discount the PAK-FA or the J-XX either, however, do these fit the MRCA and the new FX-2 program criteria? Hard to say since both are just concepts being developed. At least the F-35 is in flight testing and will be operational sooner than the Russian or Chinese versions.
Most likely you have high regards for the FAV (Venezuela) with their new Su-30MK2 fleet. I would still give the edge to the FACH (Chile) with their F-16s (a variety) armed with JDAM, AMRAAM and Pythons as well as a handful of F-5s. The Chileans are quite a bit more professional than the FAV. Same with the FAB (Brazil) with their Mirage F-2005C/D with Magic II and Super 530D and F-5s with Python III. Even with their new Sukhois, I would not put the FAV at the top in South America.
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June 8th, 2008
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I wouldn't put them at the top either (simply due to small numbers) but definetly somewhere near the top. Though if the rumored Su-35 deal goes through, they could end up on top.
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June 11th, 2008
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Hey, guys! I am trying to find the actual inventory of the Chilean Army, but the best I got is saorbats.com.ar and the data there is like from more than 2 years old and the latest orders aren't mentioned there. Could you please help me out?!
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June 11th, 2008
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Hey, guys! I am trying to find the actual inventory of the Chilean Army, but the best I got is saorbats.com.ar and the data there is like from more than 2 years old and the latest orders aren't mentioned there. Could you please help me out?!
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June 11th, 2008
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That's great! I mean any data as long as it's accurate is fine no matter in what language. I know english, german, russian, can understand spanish, portuguese, hell, even french. Any info would be more than welcomed. You know how hard it is to find desent info. Cause I came to the impression that the chilean army from two years ago is waaaay different than that from 2008 and even more from the army that country will have next year. Cheers!
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June 11th, 2008
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Actually averyone's help is welcomed. And foremost I saw a fellow in this forum named Feña who is actually chilean. If he could join that would be awesome.
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June 12th, 2008
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Where does the Ecuadorian Military stand in all this. I mostly interested in its Air Force and navy. But any information is appreciated.
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June 12th, 2008
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Yes, Salty Dog, already checked the Chilean MoD site, but I believe the latest acquisitions are missing in all those pages.
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