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Old January 17th, 2017   #16
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I wish someone would chuck his damn phone in potomac.
Not enough. He has bots (presumably set up for him, not by him) generating huge numbers of approving tweets, & apparently, staff members reacting to them. There are Twitter accounts which do nothing but re-tweet his tweets, or re-tweet the re-tweets, often with added approving comments - & his account re-tweets some of those re-tweets, even when he's obviously doing something else, such as giving a speech.

It's very clumsily done. Some of them are traceable to him. Batches of them were created with Trump corporate logos. Many are one-offs, presumably to create an illusion of larger numbers. There appears to be software which is registering Twitter accounts, re-tweeting his tweets, then closing those accounts, in bulk.

The Twitter address of a woman in the UK named Ivanka was accidentally included in a re-tweet by an apparently dummy account (name of a person with no other online presence found, despite supposedly being a US doctor, no previous tweets, etc.). She's been bombarded with traffic since. Attempts to contact the re-tweeter elicited a response: the account was deleted.

Yet another reason to worry about what Trump's going to do. A big operation to boost him, apparently meant to be surreptitious, but done very crudely & clumsily so it's bloody obvious what it is..
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"Alternate Facts"

Mr Trump continues to exhibit a playful regard for the truth, on this occasion with respect to how much smaller the crowd was at his inauguration than Mr Obama. It did bring the lovely phrase "Alternate Facts" into the public domain. Sadly this may be the phrase that characterises his administration, which is disturbing. While you can get away with telling porkers to your believers, it doesn't cut it so well in the real world with a critical audience. How he is going to establish any trust with the electorate when he seemingly can't tell the truth about anything, even as simple as crowd numbers.

Perhaps there is a bigger concern, that the administration may be making significant decisions based on its "Alternate Facts", which is potentially terrifying.

There is also a strong authoritarian streak in "Alternate Facts" alone, ie you will believe what we tell you. Doesn't take much to see him becoming a despot.
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Mr Trump continues to exhibit a playful regard for the truth, on this occasion with respect to how much smaller the crowd was at his inauguration than Mr Obama. It did bring the lovely phrase "Alternate Facts" into the public domain. Sadly this may be the phrase that characterises his administration, which is disturbing. While you can get away with telling porkers to your believers, it doesn't cut it so well in the real world with a critical audience. How he is going to establish any trust with the electorate when he seemingly can't tell the truth about anything, even as simple as crowd numbers.

Perhaps there is a bigger concern, that the administration may be making significant decisions based on its "Alternate Facts", which is potentially terrifying.

There is also a strong authoritarian streak in "Alternate Facts" alone, ie you will believe what we tell you. Doesn't take much to see him becoming a despot.
No idea why they had to comment on it anyway, he seems to thing it's some sort of ratings war or something.

You don't need to be Einstein to work out the crowds would be smaller when this inauguration would only be a foot note in history compared to Obama being the 1st Black President that was all ways in his favour.
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While you can get away with telling porkers to your believers, it doesn't cut it so well in the real world with a critical audience. How he is going to establish any trust with the electorate when he seemingly can't tell the truth about anything, even as simple as crowd size.
The fact is US politics is so polarized that neither side gives a rat's a$$ about establishing trust with the other side's share of the electorate. As for truth, truth from pollies is an oxymoron.
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Trump plan tax 20% Mexico goods which ultimately is pay by US consumers

Seem like trade war is coming

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and apparently the entire senior admin at State has resigned as of Wed.

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and apparently the entire senior admin at State has resigned as of Wed.

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It sounds bad, then you hear the details, gets worse. It wasn't even top story for the day. Then you combine that information with other information. I had hoped that there would be enough republican stability behind Trump to secure these key non-political roles.

Julie Bishop tells President Donald Trump that Asia wants 'more US leadership, not less'

There seems to be a widening gap between what should be happening and what is happening. The Trump administration are going to have a difficult time getting on top of some of this.
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I was surprised that the crowd Trump addressed at the CIA appeared to be cheering and applauding loudly in the video I saw. That is until I read an account that Trump's and Pompeo's party occupied the first 3 rows of seats.
'Bizarre' is too kind a word to describe his performance at CIA HQ.
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I was surprised that the crowd Trump addressed at the CIA appeared to be cheering and applauding loudly in the video I saw. That is until I read an account that Trump's and Pompeo's party occupied the first 3 rows of seats.
'Bizarre' is too kind a word to describe his performance at CIA HQ.
Life is truly stranger than fiction. If you wrote a novel describing Mr Trumps campaign, election and his continuing behaviour as POTUS, people would read it and not find it believable. We are all in for an interesting ride.
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Yeah ... I wonder how long it will take before the average US taxpayer realises that the 20% goods tax will actually be paid by American consumers and not the Mexicans themselves.

Not only that but most of the big companies that make stuff in Mexico are US owned.

If there is a trade war I can tell you now that America will lose badly. At the end of the day you simply can't compete with cheap foreign labour.
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Yeah ... I wonder how long it will take before the average US taxpayer realises that the 20% goods tax will actually be paid by American consumers and not the Mexicans themselves.

Not only that but most of the big companies that make stuff in Mexico are US owned.

If there is a trade war I can tell you now that America will lose badly. At the end of the day you simply can't compete with cheap foreign labour.
But if the tariff cost was so high and the consumers demaned its either pay the tarrif or manufacture back in the US, either why the USconsume pays the high price
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But if the tariff cost was so high and the consumers demaned its either pay the tarrif or manufacture back in the US, either why the USconsume pays the high price
The consumer will pay a very high price and at the end of it all they will have a wall that I suspect won't be all that effective anyway.

Building a wall without first doing research to determine whether or not it would be an effective solution is madness. As long as Mexicans have access to shovels and ladders I suspect a wall isn't going to do much to stop anyone determined to cross the border.
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The consumer will pay a very high price and at the end of it all they will have a wall that I suspect won't be all that effective anyway.

Building a wall without first doing research to determine whether or not it would be an effective solution is madness. As long as Mexicans have access to shovels and ladders I suspect a wall isn't going to do much to stop anyone determined to cross the border.
Agree on the wall situation not much if the tunnel again,if the manufacturing comes back Trump can show that as a win, bu it also means that the wall itself wil cost the US taxpayer irrespective if the wall is built or not.

I think Trump is caught in a problem of his own making in regards to the wall, if he dosn't follow thru its ammunition for the oppsition in the future.
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First the Tillerson appointment. Now this. Trump making sure no obstruction at the Stae Department when he unilaterally lifts Russian sanctions.
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a bit of panic coming out of Texas - both Congressional sides of the political divide are saying that if a trade war starts with Mexico it will drive the state into a recession and eventually the D word
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