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explorer9 October 3rd, 2012 11:40 AM

Is Turkey preparing to open a Military front against Al-Assad
 
Mortar firings from Syrian forces on the Turkish side of the border killed many Turkish citizens. Turkish Media is highlighting the news by news room discussion and flashing the damage caused by the mortar shells. Is Turkish media creating the popular sentiments fro military campaign against the forces of Syrian leader Bashar Al-Assad.....

explorer9 October 3rd, 2012 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by explorer9 (Post 252879)
Mortar firings from Syrian forces on the Turkish side of the border killed many Turkish citizens. Turkish Media is highlighting the news by news room discussion and flashing the damage caused by the mortar shells. Is Turkish media creating the popular sentiments fro military campaign against the forces of Syrian leader Bashar Al-Assad.....

Targets in Syria has been bombed by Turkish artillery in return to a deadly attack by Syrian forces which killed 5 people in southeastern Turkey.

TrangleC October 4th, 2012 04:11 AM

I'm not a conspiracy nut, but this smells a lot like a Red Flag attack.
Assad's people aren't that stupid.
Way more likely that it was the rebels, maybe with a little "western" help.

explorer9 October 4th, 2012 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TrangleC (Post 252904)
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but this smells a lot like a Red Flag attack.
Assad's people aren't that stupid.
Way more likely that it was the rebels, maybe with a little "western" help.

May be , but the Jet downed was claimed by the Al-Assad himself. It can work on both ways , Turkey has responded with artillery attack and some Syrian soldiers died. PM Erdogan signed the draft bill for cross border attack and Parliament is discussing the bill right now.

TrangleC October 4th, 2012 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by explorer9 (Post 252907)
May be , but the Jet downed was claimed by the Al-Assad himself. It can work on both ways , Turkey has responded with artillery attack and some Syrian soldiers died. PM Erdogan signed the draft bill for cross border attack and Parliament is discussing the bill right now.

Shooting down a jet is something different, of course.
But just shelling a militarily superior neighbor and a member of NATO, giving those who want to intervene for weeks an excuse, that is a bit too stupid.

PS: I meant a "False Flag attack", not a Red Flag attack, hehe. I was reading an article on the Red Flag exercise recently. I guess that is where that mistake came from.

explorer9 October 4th, 2012 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TrangleC (Post 252909)
Shooting down a jet is something different, of course.
But just shelling a militarily superior neighbor and a member of NATO, giving those who want to intervene for weeks an excuse, that is a bit too stupid.

PS: I meant a "False Flag attack", not a Red Flag attack, hehe. I was reading an article on the Red Flag exercise recently. I guess that is where that mistake came from.

The Turkish Parliament has passed a motion allowing the military to conduct cross-border raids into Syria. Now the Government has the parliamentary approval to retaliate- instigate the attack across the border.

Let's see the coming few days are important and how Russia pro-acts is also to be watched closely.

fretburner October 4th, 2012 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TrangleC (Post 252909)
Shooting down a jet is something different, of course.
But just shelling a militarily superior neighbor and a member of NATO, giving those who want to intervene for weeks an excuse, that is a bit too stupid.

Well, based on this Yahoo article, the Syrians appeared to have admitted to the shelling:

For its part, Syria admitted it was responsible for the shelling that killed five people in Turkey and formally apologized for the deaths, a top Turkish official said.

explorer9 October 4th, 2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fretburner (Post 252913)
Well, based on this Yahoo article, the Syrians appeared to have admitted to the shelling:

For its part, Syria admitted it was responsible for the shelling that killed five people in Turkey and formally apologized for the deaths, a top Turkish official said.

Turkish authorities has confirmed that official apology reached to them. So no false flagging now Turkish authorities will use this Parliamentary mandate for future incursion inside the Syrian territory.

swerve October 4th, 2012 02:05 PM

More likely, they'll use the parliamentary mandate as a threat to inhibit any more hot-headed or careless Syrian troops from firing across the border.

The Turks shelled Syrian army positions after the mortar attack, which killed a woman, her three children, & her sister.

BTW, five isn't 'many'. It's a few, or (at most) several. And artillery doesn't bomb, it shells or fires on.

explorer9 October 4th, 2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by swerve (Post 252924)
More likely, they'll use the parliamentary mandate as a threat to inhibit any more hot-headed or careless Syrian troops from firing across the border.

The Turks shelled Syrian army positions after the mortar attack, which killed a woman, her three children, & her sister.

BTW, five isn't 'many'. It's a few, or (at most) several. And artillery doesn't bomb, it shells or fires on.


Turkey isn't going to throw all their development into the dustbin by waging a full-fledged war. And you rightly anticipated that it will be used to threaten Al-Assad or most probably to create safe heaven near the sectors of its border with Syria.

Waylander October 5th, 2012 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TrangleC (Post 252904)
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but this smells a lot like a Red Flag attack.
Assad's people aren't that stupid.
Way more likely that it was the rebels, maybe with a little "western" help.

Well, since the downing of the RF-4 Syrian stray bullets and the occassional mortar landed on Turkish soil including the killing of Syrian refugees on the Turkish side of the border. Remember that the border area right up to the border checkpoint is heavily fought over by rebel and loyalist forces.

Some mortar or artillery shells going wide and hitting the Turkish town right behind the checkpoint isn't far fetched. This time the shells killed and wounded several civilians.

IMO Turkey reacts rather calm. They shelled and bombed several military installations in the border area and went before the UN and NATO. That's exactly the way everyone should react in such a situation. A limited bit strong response after staying passive for some time while at the same time going through the appropiate channels in the UN and NATO.

explorer9 October 5th, 2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Waylander (Post 252951)
Well, since the downing of the RF-4 Syrian stray bullets and the occassional mortar landed on Turkish soil including the killing of Syrian refugees on the Turkish side of the border. Remember that the border area right up to the border checkpoint is heavily fought over by rebel and loyalist forces.

Some mortar or artillery shells going wide and hitting the Turkish town right behind the checkpoint isn't far fetched. This time the shells killed and wounded several civilians.

IMO Turkey reacts rather calm. They shelled and bombed several military installations in the border area and went before the UN and NATO. That's exactly the way everyone should react in such a situation. A limited bit strong response after staying passive for some time while at the same time going through the appropiate channels in the UN and NATO.

I have observed that Turks are very pragmatic and react with rationale. They always route through appropriate channel in responding to the crisis situation. They handled the Mavi Marmara killings by Israeli commandos with measured response and taking the lea gal route locally and internationally.

FirstSpear October 5th, 2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by explorer9 (Post 252964)
I have observed that Turks are very pragmatic and react with rationale. They always route through appropriate channel in responding to the crisis situation. They handled the Mavi Marmara killings by Israeli commandos with measured response and taking the lea gal route locally and internationally.

Respectfully, don't tell the people of Cyprus nor the Kurds that the Turks follow legal channels. Never mind the Armenians whom the Turks still claim either did not die or died of natural causes...

explorer9 October 5th, 2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstSpear (Post 252968)
Respectfully, don't tell the people of Cyprus nor the Kurds that the Turks follow legal channels. Never mind the Armenians whom the Turks still claim either did not die or died of natural causes...

I do not like the thread turned to be a battle ground of history. Read the Treaty of Lausanne (1923) and development before the 1974 invasion of Cyprus. Yes imposition of Turkishness (language& culture) on Kurds or any other minority by the founding fathers of Republic was a gross violation of human rights and incumbent politicians are on the course of correction by granting ethnic language rights and renaming the Kurdish cities from Turkish to Kurdish. AFA Armenian issue is concerned it is highly exaggerated for political reasons rather than humanitarian.

the concerned October 6th, 2012 12:24 AM

Just wondering they've also crossed over the Lebanese border couldn't the UN force that was put there to seperate Israel and Hizbollah be deployed to the Syrian border to prevent these violations aswell.


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