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Old April 20th, 2017   #31
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my concern is his increasing anti-eu rhetoric, even if its just for domestic consumption

There are going to be some very nervous arms sellers about what to do next. lockmart included
There was a time when Turkey was referred to as the sick man of Europe. But then again it has always been the question is Turkey part of Europe/Asia or the middle East.
Regardless of the Geography question it is currently a dangerous political mess sharing a Eastern Mediterranean and black sea position straddled by conflict and uncertainty.
Hard to know weather to engage or back off with Turkeys new ELECTED dictator.
Suspect he is not too fussed about domestic consumption having such a strong arm.

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Erdogan is having trouble with the US and NATO over Turkey's decision to acquire the Russian S-400 SAM capability. Both the US and NATO argue that Russian equipment is not compatible with NATO systems. I note that Greece has the S-300 system, so wonder what workarounds the Greeks have.

Also Erdogan is spitting the dummy over the US indictment of Zafer Caglayan, Erdogan’s economy minister from 2011-2013. The indictment is for breaking the Iran sanctions and money laundering. Caglayan also faced corruption charges in Turkey, however the Turkish govt made the charges disappear.
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Erdogan is having trouble with the US and NATO over Turkey's decision to acquire the Russian S-400 SAM capability. Both the US and NATO argue that Russian equipment is not compatible with NATO systems. I note that Greece has the S-300 system, so wonder what workarounds the Greeks have.

Also Erdogan is spitting the dummy over the US indictment of Zafer Caglayan, Erdogan’s economy minister from 2011-2013. The indictment is for breaking the Iran sanctions and money laundering. Caglayan also faced corruption charges in Turkey, however the Turkish govt made the charges disappear.
The greek 300 was completely different circumstances, and the only reason the greeks got it, was to de-escalate the situation between Turkey and Cyprus. Its not integrated, it would be about enforcing a complete no go zone.

The Turkish S-400 is a symbol of Turkeys ambiguous allegiance. Why does Turkey want to be able shoot down NATO aircraft.
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Why does Turkey want to be able shoot down NATO aircraft.
The way Erdogan is acting Turkey will be out of NATO in the not too distant future.
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The greek 300 was completely different circumstances, and the only reason the greeks got it, was to de-escalate the situation between Turkey and Cyprus. Its not integrated, it would be about enforcing a complete no go zone.
Sort of. The Greek S-300s are integrated with other Russian gear the Greeks have. I'll poke around and see if I can find anything about their use of the S-300 with western gear.

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Are you saying they wouldn't be able to use a Patriot battery to shoot down NATO aircraft? If that's true, that kind of limitation on their ability to employ their own equipment would be reason enough not to buy it, regardless of intent. That having been said, Greece is in NATO. Why would Turkey want to shoot down Greek planes.

On a side-note Turkey wanted an advanced piece of GBAD at a competitive price. Traditionally western-sourced GBAD has been less impressive, and there's less to choose from. Their original choice was Turkish, because Russia offered the S-300VM (Antey-2500). They hinted, even back then, that they wanted Russia to offer the S-400. It's hardly surprising that the Turks went for it when the opportunity presented itself both as a signal of their displeasure with the US stance in the region, and as a way to get what they were looking for all along.
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Are you saying they wouldn't be able to use a Patriot battery to shoot down NATO aircraft? If that's true, that kind of limitation on their ability to employ their own equipment would be reason enough not to buy it, regardless of intent. That having been said, Greece is in NATO. Why would Turkey want to shoot down Greek planes.
US equipment is designed generally to stop blue on blue engagements. Australia has had issue in the past for example, getting F-18's to shoot down F-16's. Obviously a patriot battery isn't designed to take down US made aircraft.

Greece and Turkey sure have issues, but Turkey has been working towards its own idigenous tech to take care of Greece. Also greece is broke. They won't be attacking anyone.

I would not be surprised if the US is more worried about Turkey enforcing a no fly zone, against the whole of NATO including the US, around Syria.Turkey can do what it wants in and around turkey and turn off US airstrikes.
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