Saudi Arms Deals

Izzy1

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Very strong rumours in Riyadh at the moment concerning imminent deals on Le Clerc MBTs for the Royal Saudi Land Forces; Airbus A-330 MRTT Tanker/Transports, Airbus A-400Ms for the Air Force with Scorpene SSKs and FREMM Frigates for the Royal Saudi Navy.

http://www.tradearabia.com/tanews/newsdetails_snDEF_article108559_cnt.html

Janes Defence Weekly also reporting the same, as well as further acquisitions for SANG (Saudi Arabian National Guard) from both France and US.

JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - JULY 26, 2006

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SANG to expand its capabilities​
ROBIN HUGHES JDW Deputy Editor and J A C LEWIS JDW Correspondent
London and Paris



  • The SANG is set to receive additional light armoured vehicles

  • SANG is also presumed the buyer of an unconfirmed contract for a number of CAESAR SP artillery systems


The Saudi Arabia National Guard (SANG) looks set to significantly augment its capabilities following the announcement of a major potential US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) agreement and an unconfirmed acquisition of the CAmion Equipe d'un Systeme d'ARtillerie (CAESAR) 155 mm/52 calibre self-propelled (SP) artillery system from France.

France's Giat Industries on 20 July announced the sale of 76 of its CAESAR truck-mounted artillery systems to an unspecified foreign customer, widely believed in French defence circles to be the SANG.

Giat announced the sale during a visit to Paris by Saudi Arabia's Defence Minister Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdal Aziz al Saud.

As Jane's went to press on 21 July, Prince Sultan met with French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin and Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie amid increasing expectation that Riyadh could award a number of major arms contracts to Paris. However, as Jane's went to press no announcement had been made and diplomatic sources suggested that Prince Sultan might confine himself during his Paris stay to merely stating that Riyadh was intent on heightening military co-operation with France, leaving the actual arms deals to be made public at a later date. Prince Sultan said after a meeting with President Jacques Chirac on 20 July that "economic co-operation" with France "is an ongoing process".

It was noted in Paris that the SANG, the presumed buyer of the CAESAR systems, answers directly to Saudi King Abdallah and not to Prince Sultan. Jane's reported earlier in 2006 that the SANG had a requirement for a new lightweight towed or SP system and was assessing two contenders, including BAE Systems Land Systems' 155mm/39 cal M777.

Recent French media reports said Saudi Arabia, in addition to buying CAESAR, was likely to place an order for 20 Cougar search and rescue and 10 NH90 military transport helicopters built by Eurocopter during Sultan's trip. Also likely was the sale of 30 of Eurocopter's Fennec helicopters for a Saudi pilot training school at Taef.

Riyadh was also thought to be interested in acquiring three Airbus A330 Multi Role Tanker Transport aircraft, taking an option on a further three. Elsewhere, DCN hopes to land a Saudi contract for its FREMM multi-mission frigates and for either its Scorpene or Marlin submarine.

*Separately, the US Defense Security Co-operation Agency (DSCA) on 20 July announced a potential FMS contract, in line with Washington's efforts to support the modernisation of the SANG, which if all options were exercised has a potential value of some USD5.8 billion. The bulk of the Saudi request comprises the acquisition of some 724 General Dynamics Land Systems - Canada (GDLS-C) 8 x 8 light armoured vehicles (LAVs) and vehicle-mounted Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems (SINGARS).

The SANG has already taken delivery of 1,117 LAV (light armoured vehicle)-IIs from the now GDLS-C, which included an acquisition of 73 120 mm turreted, armoured mortar systems. Fire support for these LAVs is provided by some 30 US-supplied 155 mm M198 and 40 105 mm M102 towed artillery systems.

According to the DSCA "the SANG will serve to make a key regional ally and partner in the global war on terror more capable of defeating those who would threaten regional stability and less reliant on the deployment of US combat forces to maintain or restore stability in the Middle East".

In addition, Saudi Arabia has also requested a potential USD350 million FMS acquisition of 24 UH-60L Black Hawk utility/assault helicopters and an accompanying logistics package in support of the Royal Saudi Land Forces' (RSLFs) ongoing domestic anti-terror operations. The RSLF already operate 12 S-70A-1 Desert Hawks in a similar role."Saudi forces have used rotary wing assets in numerous anti-terrorism operations within their borders and view their ability to quickly move troops around the country as a critical capability," the DSCA said.

SANG seeks new artillery (jdw.janes.com, 13/01/06)

FMS notification for SANG includes:

* 724 LAV-25, LAV-AG, LAV-M, LAV-AT, LAV-CC, LAV-PC, LAV-A, LAV-AC LAV-E and LAV-R light armoured vehicles;

* 1,160 AN/VRC-90E Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems (SINCGARS) Vehicular Single Long-Range Radio Systems; * 627 AN/VRC-92E SINCGARS Vehicular Single Long-Range Radio Systems;

* 518 AN/VRC-119 E SINCGARS Vehicular Single Long-Range Radio Systems; * 2,198 SINCGARS Spearhead Handheld; * 1,700 AN/AVS-7D Night Vision Goggles (NVGs); * 432 AN/PVS-14 NVGs; * 630 AN/PAS-13 Thermal Weapon Sights; * 162 84mm Recoilless Rifles; and * Harris Corporation Commercial High Frequency Radios;

* various commercial vehicles; fixed facilities and ranges; simulators; generators; battery chargers; protective clothing; shop equipment; training devices; spare and repair parts; sets, kits, and outfits; support equipment; publications and technical data; personnel training and training equipment; contractor engineering and technical support services and other related elements of logistics support.

Jane's Defence Weekly July 21st 2006
 
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there has been speculation that the french are prepared to offer the Marlin submarine to pakistan. Perhaps a pakistani-saudi collaboration on the procurement of these subs?
 

swerve

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Waylander said:
I just don't understand why they don't stop fielding different MBT types. :confused:
Lots of political buying*, & a desire not to be dependent on one source. They saw how stuffed the Iranian military were by the withdrawal of US support, & the Saudis have far less ability to operate their weapons independently than Iran had in 1979.

*consider Kuwait in the early 1990s: Countries which helped in the liberation from Saddam were all rewarded with arms contracts. Once it had bought M1, the UK had to get the IFV deal. Etc.
 

Izzy1

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I just don't understand why they don't stop fielding different MBT types.
I agree, the logistics must be a nightmare already.

However, Le Clerc has been on the cards for some time now, despite it allegedly not doing that well in trials out here several years back.

There is a need for new MBTs, with over 450 M60A3 and 290 AMX-30s in service, all originally bought in the 1970s. That leaves only one armoured brigade equipped with part of the 315 M1A2 Abrams available, yet these have proved exceptionally troublesome in Saudi service.

Stories surrounding the purchase of 200+ Al Khalid MBTs from Pakistan have subsided as well, with RSLF commanders being surprisingly vocal in stating no desire to bring a 'non-western' orientated vehicle into service.

But as stated here already, the answer as to why is political more than anything else. Keeping France involved in Saudi's defence and foreign policy is important to Riyadh, the selection of Typhoon over Rafale and the opening up to tender of the MIKSA border defence system could have jepordised these relations. Thus it should come as no surprise that in other areas of Saudi defence spending, French companies and product will be at the forefront.
 

Waylander

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The UAE are not very satisfied with their LeClerc Tropicaine but I heard that GIAT now solved the problems.
It is not a bad tank, but the primary target of Saudi-Arabia should be to implement the Abrams into its forces and to maintain a high operational rate.
 

Waylander

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Woohooo, Saudi-Arabia is going to buy everything they get.

Strange mix.

Saudi Arabia - Continued Assistance in the Modernization of the SANG
The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Saudi Arabia to continue modernization of the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG).

Saudis Buy Artillery From France's GIAT
Saudi Arabia has ordered 76 artillery howitzers from the French armaments manufacturer Giat Industries, sources close to the purchase told AFP July 21.

UH-60L Utility/Assault Black Hawk Helicopters for Saudi Armed Forces
The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Saudi Arabia of UH-60L Utility/Assault Black Hawk helicopters as well as associated equipment and services.
 
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contedicavour

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Izzy1 said:
Very strong rumours in Riyadh at the moment concerning imminent deals on Le Clerc MBTs for the Royal Saudi Land Forces; Airbus A-330 MRTT Tanker/Transports, Airbus A-400Ms for the Air Force with Scorpene SSKs and FREMM Frigates for the Royal Saudi Navy.

http://www.tradearabia.com/tanews/newsdetails_snDEF_article108559_cnt.html

Janes Defence Weekly also reporting the same, as well as further acquisitions for SANG (Saudi Arabian National Guard) from both France and US.

JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - JULY 26, 2006

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SANG to expand its capabilities​
ROBIN HUGHES JDW Deputy Editor and J A C LEWIS JDW Correspondent
London and Paris



  • The SANG is set to receive additional light armoured vehicles

  • SANG is also presumed the buyer of an unconfirmed contract for a number of CAESAR SP artillery systems


The Saudi Arabia National Guard (SANG) looks set to significantly augment its capabilities following the announcement of a major potential US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) agreement and an unconfirmed acquisition of the CAmion Equipe d'un Systeme d'ARtillerie (CAESAR) 155 mm/52 calibre self-propelled (SP) artillery system from France.

France's Giat Industries on 20 July announced the sale of 76 of its CAESAR truck-mounted artillery systems to an unspecified foreign customer, widely believed in French defence circles to be the SANG.

Giat announced the sale during a visit to Paris by Saudi Arabia's Defence Minister Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdal Aziz al Saud.

As Jane's went to press on 21 July, Prince Sultan met with French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin and Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie amid increasing expectation that Riyadh could award a number of major arms contracts to Paris. However, as Jane's went to press no announcement had been made and diplomatic sources suggested that Prince Sultan might confine himself during his Paris stay to merely stating that Riyadh was intent on heightening military co-operation with France, leaving the actual arms deals to be made public at a later date. Prince Sultan said after a meeting with President Jacques Chirac on 20 July that "economic co-operation" with France "is an ongoing process".

It was noted in Paris that the SANG, the presumed buyer of the CAESAR systems, answers directly to Saudi King Abdallah and not to Prince Sultan. Jane's reported earlier in 2006 that the SANG had a requirement for a new lightweight towed or SP system and was assessing two contenders, including BAE Systems Land Systems' 155mm/39 cal M777.

Recent French media reports said Saudi Arabia, in addition to buying CAESAR, was likely to place an order for 20 Cougar search and rescue and 10 NH90 military transport helicopters built by Eurocopter during Sultan's trip. Also likely was the sale of 30 of Eurocopter's Fennec helicopters for a Saudi pilot training school at Taef.

Riyadh was also thought to be interested in acquiring three Airbus A330 Multi Role Tanker Transport aircraft, taking an option on a further three. Elsewhere, DCN hopes to land a Saudi contract for its FREMM multi-mission frigates and for either its Scorpene or Marlin submarine.

*Separately, the US Defense Security Co-operation Agency (DSCA) on 20 July announced a potential FMS contract, in line with Washington's efforts to support the modernisation of the SANG, which if all options were exercised has a potential value of some USD5.8 billion. The bulk of the Saudi request comprises the acquisition of some 724 General Dynamics Land Systems - Canada (GDLS-C) 8 x 8 light armoured vehicles (LAVs) and vehicle-mounted Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems (SINGARS).

The SANG has already taken delivery of 1,117 LAV (light armoured vehicle)-IIs from the now GDLS-C, which included an acquisition of 73 120 mm turreted, armoured mortar systems. Fire support for these LAVs is provided by some 30 US-supplied 155 mm M198 and 40 105 mm M102 towed artillery systems.

According to the DSCA "the SANG will serve to make a key regional ally and partner in the global war on terror more capable of defeating those who would threaten regional stability and less reliant on the deployment of US combat forces to maintain or restore stability in the Middle East".

In addition, Saudi Arabia has also requested a potential USD350 million FMS acquisition of 24 UH-60L Black Hawk utility/assault helicopters and an accompanying logistics package in support of the Royal Saudi Land Forces' (RSLFs) ongoing domestic anti-terror operations. The RSLF already operate 12 S-70A-1 Desert Hawks in a similar role."Saudi forces have used rotary wing assets in numerous anti-terrorism operations within their borders and view their ability to quickly move troops around the country as a critical capability," the DSCA said.

SANG seeks new artillery (jdw.janes.com, 13/01/06)

FMS notification for SANG includes:

* 724 LAV-25, LAV-AG, LAV-M, LAV-AT, LAV-CC, LAV-PC, LAV-A, LAV-AC LAV-E and LAV-R light armoured vehicles;

* 1,160 AN/VRC-90E Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems (SINCGARS) Vehicular Single Long-Range Radio Systems; * 627 AN/VRC-92E SINCGARS Vehicular Single Long-Range Radio Systems;

* 518 AN/VRC-119 E SINCGARS Vehicular Single Long-Range Radio Systems; * 2,198 SINCGARS Spearhead Handheld; * 1,700 AN/AVS-7D Night Vision Goggles (NVGs); * 432 AN/PVS-14 NVGs; * 630 AN/PAS-13 Thermal Weapon Sights; * 162 84mm Recoilless Rifles; and * Harris Corporation Commercial High Frequency Radios;

* various commercial vehicles; fixed facilities and ranges; simulators; generators; battery chargers; protective clothing; shop equipment; training devices; spare and repair parts; sets, kits, and outfits; support equipment; publications and technical data; personnel training and training equipment; contractor engineering and technical support services and other related elements of logistics support.

Jane's Defence Weekly July 21st 2006
I'm not surprised that Saudi keeps buying bits from each major arms player in order to preserve some autonomy. From a cost efficiency perspective (maintenance costs, operational availability, training, etc) this is nonsense.

At least in the past there was an acknowledged split : the Air Force half sourced from UK, half from the US, the Navy almost entirely French, the Army mostly American. Now extra complexity is being added :( particularly for the Army.

Vs the Air Force (Typhoons replacing Tornado ADV) and the Navy (FREMM replacing the Al Madinah Sawari 1) the recent purchases make sense.

cheers
 
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