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Old October 29th, 2015   #61
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The communication cannot be tapped either, there are fullproof security protocols designed specifically to be impervious to man-in-the-middle attacks.

Any secure site uses SSL, for example logging in to your bank account and making transactions. You are perfectly safe even if the router used is compromised and records the data sent and received. Even if the ISP you are using to connect to the internet is compromised.

There is no practical or impractical amount of human expertise or computing power that can work around the mainstream encryption protocols used. This is guaranteed by the sciences of cryptography and statistics. Just my two cents as a professional in the field of computer engineering.

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The communication cannot be tapped either, there are fullproof security protocols designed specifically to be impervious to man-in-the-middle attacks.

Any secure site uses SSL, for example logging in to your bank account and making transactions. You are perfectly safe even if the router used is compromised and records the data sent and received. Even if the ISP you are using to connect to the internet is compromised.

There is no practical or impractical amount of human expertise or computing power that can work around the mainstream encryption protocols used. This is guaranteed by the sciences of cryptography and statistics. Just my two cents as a professional in the field of computer engineering.

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Nothing easy about it. Russia has specially designed deep-water nuclear subs with highly secret equipment aboard for this sort of work. How many countries have something similar? Probably only a few.
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Nothing easy about it. Russia has specially designed deep-water nuclear subs with highly secret equipment aboard for this sort of work. How many countries have something similar? Probably only a few.
The russians are late players in the game though - eg NR-1 and Parche

Parche got all those battle honours for a reason (and a whole pile of other citations not in the public domain)

at a geo level alone, its a whole lot harder for the russians to achieve this (type of vessel needed, range, subsea topology issues around the "known" cables of interest.

in the end they are at a disadvantage due to subsea geography issues around the type of platforms needed to do the job.
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The communication cannot be tapped either, there are fullproof security protocols designed specifically to be impervious to man-in-the-middle attacks.

Any secure site uses SSL, for example logging in to your bank account and making transactions. You are perfectly safe even if the router used is compromised and records the data sent and received. Even if the ISP you are using to connect to the internet is compromised.

There is no practical or impractical amount of human expertise or computing power that can work around the mainstream encryption protocols used. This is guaranteed by the sciences of cryptography and statistics. Just my two cents as a professional in the field of computer engineering.

Now sabotage ... that's easy!! ��
Not to keep things OT, but as someone who works in IT for a cable/telecom company... Even using encryption does not guarantee security. It can/does make things harder to crack, or force the use of a greater degree of resources, but it does not keep it from happening.

If it did, there would be no need for systems to regularly force users to change their passwords, or many of the other procedures used to prevent others from gaining access (like transmission of a key via SMS to another asset for verification, etc.)

For that matter, if encryption was the end-all/be-all, then all Russia would need to do, to defeat Western/US ELINT efforts would be to purchase Western encryption, or write their own.
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I was talking specifically about man in the middle attacks. Other security measures like you mentioned are to counter brute-forcable weak passwords, duplicate passwords across different sites, keylogging trojans etc.

It is my understanding that ELINT involves tracking signal sources, deducing the type of equipment used, jamming the sender or receiver or making other decisions based on the traffic. I would be amazed to find out that they can translate the signals.
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More than 100 civilian specialists building the Northern Clover military camp on the Arctic island of Kotelny are taking part in the builders strike against the month-long arrears in wages.

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More than 100 civilian specialists building the Northern Clover military camp on the Arctic island of Kotelny are taking part in the builders strike against the month-long arrears in wages.

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Interesting. Russian press is totally silent on the subject so far. Do you have details?
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Meanwhile the Russian National Security Council has admitted that developing the Arctic without western technology is going to be a problem.
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Meanwhile the Russian National Security Council has admitted that developing the Arctic without western technology is going to be a problem.
What specifically?
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Nikolay Patrushev said, scouting and developing oil fields. But he was mentioning this within the context of a discussion of the Yamal LNG project. And I suspect the technologies Russia wants go beyond just oil development.
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Nikolay Patrushev said, scouting and developing oil fields. But he was mentioning this within the context of a discussion of the Yamal LNG project. And I suspect the technologies Russia wants go beyond just oil development.
I don't know much about the big equipment but I do know about some of the smaller issues, Yamal LNG haven't been firm enough with the makers list, Technip, JGC and the other contractors have all specified different vendors for lighting, cables, cable trays, junction boxes. It's going to be a maintenance nightmare for Yamal. They also stupidly allowed high pressure sodium lighting, for a location which can drop to -50 during winter with an average ambient temp of -7 that's plain stupid, lighting should all be LED.
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A close look at the new Arktika armored vehicle. It's likely that the it will come in two variants just like the Bumerang and Kurganets, and possibly it will even be interchangeable in terms of modules. It's also carrying a smaller version of the APS seen on those platforms.

Новейˆий б€оне‚€ансп‘€ «А€к‚ика» - ‘е€лога ‘€онемедведа

EDIT: A special Arctic version of the Mi-8AMTSh is being handed over on Nov 25th. It's called the AMTSh-VA and it's designed specifically for the new Arctic command, with a more powerful powerplant, and better heat insulation, as well as other upgrades. It's very telling that the ATMSh variant is the one they chose, and not the MTV-5 variant. They have noteworthy secondary attack capability, and could provide CAS.

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A new polar airfield is being built on the island Zemlya Aleksandry, it will contain facilities for 2 Il-78s and 4 Su-34s, including heated structures to house the aircraft, presumably for maintenance purposes, since the base will include maintenance facilities and equipment, in addition to regular airbase components.

Аэродром на острове Земля Александры - Денис Мокрушин
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Some more news, a full air defense regiment has been created on Novaya Zemlya, with upgraded S-300s for equipment. This is a major step forward in terms of airspace control. This comes on top of earlier news that a new command and measurement ship is being worked on, possibly with requirements for deployments to the Arctic in mind. Overall the Arctic is getting less attention then it used to, but work is still proceeding steadily on deploying additional assets there.

«Новый зенитный ракетный полк ПВО заступил на дежурство в Арктике» в блоге «Армия и Флот» - Сделано у нас
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