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Philippines to Re-Focus on Territorial Defence in 2012

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Old June 10th, 2012   #16
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Additional News Articles Relavant to the Transition of the AFP from Internal and Counter Insurgency Operations to Upgrading it's External Defense Capability to Protect the Nations Territory in 2012 ...

The US Will Re-Open Massive Philippine Bases Not Occupied Since The Cold War - Business Insider

Philippines to Buy Military Jets Amid Sea Dispute With China - Bloomberg

Philippines Gets Support From Japan, Others Against China - International Business Times
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The US will provide a powerful land based radar to the Philippines to help track ships off the island nations vast coastline, the cost and timeline for the project are still being worked out said a Pentagon spokeswoman ...

US to help Philippines with radar: Pentagon - Latest news around the world and developments close to home - MSN Philippines News

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...lippines-Radar

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^ Great news! Something I really was hoping the Philippines would buy first... Well, sort of, as I thought an Air Search Radar was going to be 1st priority. It will also give the AFP (not sure if this will be Army or Navy?) the critical skillset of operating such a radar.
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The US will provide a powerful land based radar to the Philippines to help track ships off the island nations vast coastline, the cost and timeline for the project are still being worked out said a Pentagon spokeswoman ...

US to help Philippines with radar: Pentagon - Latest news around the world and developments close to home - MSN Philippines News

Pentagon: U.S. To Help Philippines with Radar | Defense News | defensenews.com
I'd like to be able to read these articles that you've provided links to but, living in China, they are, of course, blocked!
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I'd like to be able to read these articles that you've provided links to but, living in China, they are, of course, blocked!
In the media article it states US & Philippines are in the initial planning stages to establish a National Coast Watch Center, which apparently includes a land-based radar to "improve their maritime domain awareness". (It's not clear as to the extensiveness of the radar system - just out of curiosity). The Philippines has also expressed an interest in patrol vessels and aircraft. Here's the first article (the second is near similar to the first).

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The US military said Tuesday it plans to provide a land-based radar to the Philippines, as the country faces an escalating dispute with China over territorial rights off its shore.

The radar would form part of a "watch center" to help track ships off the island nation's coast line, a Pentagon spokeswoman said.

"We are in the initial planning stages of assisting the Philippines with a National Coast Watch Center," Major Catherine Wilkinson told AFP.

"This center will improve their maritime domain awareness of a breadth of security issues including counter proliferation of WMD (weapons of mass destruction) to countering illegal smuggling," she said.

The cost and the time line for the project were still being worked out, she said.

Plans to provide a powerful radar to the Philippines came after Philippine President Benigno Aquino paid a visit last week to the White House, where he was offered a robust show of support.

Manila has asked for the radar system and other military assistance to bolster its position in a row with Beijing over the Scarborough Shoal, which lies near the main Philippine island of Luzon.

China claims the area along with virtually all of the South China Sea up to the shores of other Southeast Asian nations, including Malaysia, Vietnam and the Philippines.

The move reflects Washington's strategic shift towards Asia amid a growing rivalry with Beijing, with the South China Sea at the center of the contest, analysts said.

"Land-based radar is one of the practical ways the United States can simultaneously boost Philippine defense capabilities and signal Washington's long-term commitment to Asia," said Patrick Cronin, senior adviser for Asia at the Center for a New American Security, a Washington think tank.

China may choose to defuse tensions just before a gathering of the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations next month, Cronin said.

"But it is also possible that China is determined to humiliate the Philippines and, indirectly, the United States," he told AFP.

The Philippines has also expressed interest in patrol vessels and aircraft to help monitor the vast waters off its coast, where the Chinese have sent ships to assert their territorial claims.

It was unlikely the United States would look at providing military aircraft at a time when China may be preparing a conciliatory gesture, Cronin said.

"If China persists with embarrassing the Philippines, then I have no doubt aircraft sales will follow," he said.
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Latest news articles about plans to upgrade the external defense capability of the AFP as it shift it's priority from counter-insurgency operations to protecting the nations territorial integrity ...
Why do we bother with second-hand equipment? [Mod Edit: Why not? Especially if it represents good value (and the Philippine navy just acquired a couple of 2nd hand ex-USCG vessels).]

I'm told that the Philippines has enough money to buy brand new. And if we really think second-hand equipments are going to help us, then why not the Perry class frigate? It stood a better chance against the Chinese if we came to blows. [Mod Edit: Really? What planet do you live on? The next thing you are going to tell us is that the earth is flat. Go read up on the sorry state of the Philippine Navy and their budget. Since the Philippine modernization program began in 1995, the budget released for the 15 year program amounted to only US$740 million (P32 billion). There is a thread on the Philippine Navy that documents some of their progress. And then read up on the PLAN ship building plans and progress.

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In the media article it states US & Philippines are in the%2pinitial planning stages to establish a National Coast Watch Center, which apparently includes a land-based radar to "improve their maritime domain awareness". (It's not clear as to the extensiveness of the radar system - just out of curiosity). The Philippines has also expressed an interest in patrol vessels and aircraft. Here's the first article (the second is near similar to the fir3t).
Hope it will be a brand-new radar system that would be complemented by mobile anti-air vehicles hopefully with MIM-23 I-Hawk or a better SAM system.

It would also probably be better to have an AESA land-based radar system. [Mod Edit: Learn to do some research and cite some sources before posting. It would do wonders for the quality of discussion on this thread. Develop a real interest in the matters you post about and read more before posting.

This is you last warning on the quality of your posts. Do not turn this into a fantasy wishlist. Fantasy wishlist participants do not fare well in this forum.]

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In the media article it states US & Philippines are in the initial planning stages to establish a National Coast Watch Center, which apparently includes a land-based radar to "improve their maritime domain awareness". (It's not clear as to the extensiveness of the radar system - just out of curiosity). The Philippines has also expressed an interest in patrol vessels and aircraft. Here's the first article (the second is near similar to the first).
Thanks for that recce.
Here in China, the wolves are howling and baying for Pinoy blood are quoting the UNLOS and so on. They're threatening, cajoling and warning as well but, for those of us who've lived amongst them for a number of years, we know it's mainly bluff and bluster.

I sincererly hope that the US can supply the appropriate tools for the job in a timely manner as it'll send a clear message to Beijing.
Once this happens, wait for another warning from China about "interfering in it's internal affairs".
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Latest News Articles About the AFP Ongoing Effort of Shifting from Internal Security Operations to Upgrading the Nations Territorial Defense Capability in 2012 ...



Korea to export TA-50 jets to Philippines

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Hope we make good use of the TA-50s. Maybe we could also invite USAF assets to rotate in the country so that we could train with our ally and it allows better interoperability. Plus it helps as deterrent.

And maybe we could also get benefits from it like a discounted purchase, if ever, of fighter aircraft.

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Why do we bother with second-hand equipment? [Mod Edit: Why not? Especially if it represents good value (and the Philippine navy just acquired a couple of 2nd hand ex-USCG vessels).]

I'm told that the Philippines has enough money to buy brand new. And if we really think second-hand equipments are going to help us, then why not the Perry class frigate? It stood a better chance against the Chinese if we came to blows. [Mod Edit: Really? What planet do you live on? The next thing you are going to tell us is that the earth is flat. Go read up on the sorry state of the Philippine Navy and their budget. Since the Philippine modernization program began in 1995, the budget released for the 15 year program amounted to only US$740 million (P32 billion). There is a thread on the that documents some of their progress. And then read up on the PLAN ship building plans and progress.

General warning to all in this thread: Kindly follow the forum rules and do not spam this thread with wish list nonsense, as there are a number of posts here that are lacking in thought and quality (a laundry list of what to buy without regard to national defence budgets and prior track record are frowned upon). If you have an opinion feel free to share it but remember to provide sources for your facts, where possible. ]




Hope it will be a brand-new radar system that would be complemented by mobile anti-air vehicles hopefully with MIM-23 I-Hawk or a better SAM system.

It would also probably be better to have an AESA land-based radar system. [Mod Edit: Learn to do some research and cite some sources before posting. It would do wonders for the quality of discussion on this thread. Develop a real interest in the matters you post about and read more before posting.

This is you last warning on the quality of your posts. Do not turn this into a fantasy wishlist. Fantasy wishlist participants do not fare well in this forum.]
Sorry bout that. Just releasing some imagination for the moment. It will never happen again. Just have a big imagination.
About the defense budget stuff being enough, I read it somewhere in some other forum.

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The Philippines has downplayed it's request for US surveillance drones to monitor it's vast territory as China appealed for stability in the region , they are surveillance flights and are not meant to be provocative says a government spokesman ...


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It would enhance or invite more discussions about the topic if ManilaBoy will provide his insights and in-depth analysis instead of just copying and pasting the news released from an newspaper article in the Philippines. I would like to read more of what is really happening over in the country instead of just reading bland newspaper articles that doesn't say much and meant for commercial consumption?
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The US has offered the Philippines the use of it's P-3C Orion aircrafts to patrol the SCS areas late last year but a final decision if the offer was accepted remains unclear so far ...

U.S. offers Philippines P-3C Orions - UPI.com

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The US has offered the Philippines the use of it's P-3C Orion aircrafts to patrol the SCS areas late last year but a final decision if the offer was accepted remains unclear so far ...

U.S. offers Philippines P-3C Orions - UPI.com
Based on newspaper articles that I have read, the initial offer was looked at but was not accepted. Current rumors had it that the president of the Philippines will request US spy planes to fly over the West Philippine sea. However, the president is now denying that he requested the US to do such a thing? Also, the Philippine senate president (Juan Ponce Enrile) was saying that "what is the use of US spy planes fly-over the west Philippine sea" if the Philippines doesn't have the naval assets to interdict violators of their naval territories? Juan Ponce Enrile further stated that the Philippines needs a larger defense budget to acquire materiel for defensive purposes.
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I am curious as to what the Philippine Navy and air force are doing to get ready for all this new equipment? The government of the Philippines has a very long wish list of equipment they would like to acquire including LIFT's OPV'S, corvettes, light frigates, reconnaissance aircraft, MRF's and submarines to name a few. All this looks great but it won't do any good if the ships can't leave port and the aircraft never get off the ground.

Is the military doing anything to get some infrastructure in place to support all this? Are they beginning to train new pilots and ground crews? The air force hasn't put a fighter in the air in 7 years, what are they doing to get ready for this?
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