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Old April 2nd, 2008   #16
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Do you guys thank the North Korean Mig-17 and Mig-19 fighters as well as their Il-28 bombers can still be effective in war?

I think North Korea is the last user of the Mig-17 and Mi-19 fighters and the last operator of the Il-28 bomber. I also think they still use around 30 Mig-15s for training.
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I think if North Korea were to enter a war against South Korea they would rely purely on there artillery and infantry as previously stated. What type of artillery pieces (if available) do they have? Is it all old artillery or do they have new systems?
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I think if North Korea were to enter a war against South Korea they would rely purely on there artillery and infantry as previously stated. What type of artillery pieces (if available) do they have? Is it all old artillery or do they have new systems?
Here is a link with their tanks, APCs and artillery that could help: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-equipment.htm

I do think they would still use their fighter jets in a war against South Korea and the American Military. Can't say I know how many of the jets will get off the ground but I expect they will send as many as possible. I also wounder when thy will get their fleet of some 300 An-2s back in the air which have recently been grounded because of high fuel costs.
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I doubt they bought those T-72s, NK's real strength lies in mass artillery and infantry for Unconventional Warfare
North Korea doe have a modernization package for the T-62 called Chonmaho, reactive armor package and FCS comes from Iran. They do have in access of over 3500 armor vehicles even though they are outdated by modern day armored vehicle platforms. I would also state that North Korea`s armored vehicles are alot lighter versus U.S and ROK vehicles giving them more ease in operation in that type of terrian, ease of movement is a important factor in battle.
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Do you guys thank the North Korean Mig-17 and Mig-19 fighters as well as their Il-28 bombers can still be effective in war?

I think North Korea is the last user of the Mig-17 and Mi-19 fighters and the last operator of the Il-28 bomber. I also think they still use around 30 Mig-15s for training.
Anything that they throw in the air would be wiped out by the ROK and U.S in a matter of hours. Artillery including rockets will be the biggest pucker factor for the U.S and ROK forces.
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In my search for reliable information on the matter I often ran into mysterious references to the MBT-2002, which is supposedly a stripped down T-72 variant with retrofitted T-90 parts.
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Im sure the North Koreans would rely heavily on there winter as some form of natural defense. Waht tactics do you think there infantry would adopt? Would they stay with there "launch waves of people at ROK-US lines"?
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In my search for reliable information on the matter I often ran into mysterious references to the MBT-2002, which is supposedly a stripped down T-72 variant with retrofitted T-90 parts.
Why would they have to strip down a T-72 to retrofit T-90 parts, and what parts are you referring to.
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Im sure the North Koreans would rely heavily on there winter as some form of natural defense. Waht tactics do you think there infantry would adopt? Would they stay with there "launch waves of people at ROK-US lines"?
If a war breaks out between both countries either side will make it happen during the winter months when the ground and most rivers are frozen.
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All I now is that if war brakes out then it would be a nightmare for everyone.

Here is a link I found about the North Korean Navy. It also has links to the numbers of each ship they have and their navel bases. Enjoy: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../dprk/navy.htm
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Here's the rumors on the new tank that I found.

www. atimes.com/atimes/Korea/DG06Dg01.html

english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200206/200206170010.html

www. encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-136652432.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%27okpoong-Ho#Production_history

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Here's the rumors on the new tank that I found.

www. atimes.com/atimes/Korea/DG06Dg01.html

english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200206/200206170010.html

www. encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-136652432.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%27okpoong-Ho#Production_history

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Ah - good old Wiki, I would not put much stock into that rumor, there is a reason why they went to Iran for their reactive armor suite that is placed on the Chonmaho, most likely due to cost of Russian K5 packages and the reluctance of Russia just wanting to sell it to them, also they do manufacture there own 100mm and 115mm tank ammunition and I cannot see them wanting to gear up for 125mm due to the cost factor. Heavy tanks for North Korea hasn`t really been a top priority for them due to the terrian which will cause major choke points.
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North Korea will not start another war because it does not enjoy the support of China or Russia as it used to during the cold war. Besides, the North Korean leader is simply too fond of his dynasty, he is not going to spoil all that for the glory of his nation. This is how most communist dictators are. Recently the discovery channel showed one documentary of one famous FBI agent (who was the leader of one fake communist party in America and he was given awards by the Soviet leaders for his contribution to the communist movement), this agent had passed on to Washington how scared the Soviet leaders were of a war between then Soviet Union and the US. The US took advantage of this key information and won the cold war. Perhaps someone can find out and post the name of this FBI agent, I've written it down somewhere.
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The DPRK is not communist. At best it's a strange form of socialism. At worst it's a paranoid third world dictatorship with a command economy. Juche and songun are actually, in my modest opinion, anti-communist.

EDIT: I'm sorry for breaking the no politics rule but in this case it's very important to understand the concept of songun. It has far more influence on the development of North Korea then any marxist theory, and songun prioritizes the military as the main driving force behind everything.

Here's an interesting and fairly objective paper on the subject.
http://wwwkeia.org/Publications/OnKorea/2008/08Park.pdf
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..upgrades in the PAC-3 Patriot missile defense system have improved protection for critical U.S. facilities in South Korea.
"However, there is a significant shortage of PAC-3 missiles currently available on the peninsula to counter the North Korean missile threat," ..North Korea maintains 70 percent of its ground forces within 90 miles of the Demilitarized Zone that has separated the peninsula on the northeastern coast of Asia since the Korean War ended in an armistice, not a peace settlement, in 1953. The DMZ is 30 miles (50 kilometers) north of metropolitan Seoul, South Korea's bustling capital area of more than 20 million people.
North Korea has 250 long-range artillery systems capable of reaching the capital, Sharp said.
"North Korea still has the capacity to inflict major destruction and significant military and civilian casualties in South Korea with little to no warning," Sharp wrote.
On the missile defense question, Sharp wrote, "North Korea continues to build missiles of increasing range, lethality and accuracy, bolstering its current stockpile of 800 missiles for its defense and external sales."
In a flurry of missile testing in mid-2006, North Korea tested an intercontinental ballistic missile in July that is said to have had the capability of reaching U.S. territory.
South Korea "does not currently possess a ballistic missile defense capability" that can join seamlessly with U.S. defensive missiles. Sharp wrote.
It is urgent that South Korea develop such a system, Sharp wrote and added: "South Korean military and civilian facilities are currently highly vulnerable to North Korean missile attacks."
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So, is this a rela threat or just a call to join US-Japan TBMD and order more PAC-3s for the ROK?
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