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Old January 29th, 2016   #1
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Latvian Armed Forces and Security

Latvian Defence Minister, Raimonds Bergmanis, believes Russia’s snap military exercises present a grave danger to Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

Speaking on Latvian national television on January 28, 2016, Bergmanis reminded the public that his Russian counterpart, Sergey Shoigu, announced the Kremlin’s plans to sculpture three divisions in western Russia this year.

He added that every military district in Latvia should also expect to undergo spot checks in 2016, meaning Latvia should re-examine the capability of its armed forces this year.
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Latvian Defence Minister, Raimonds Bergmanis, believes Russia’s snap military exercises present a grave danger to Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

Speaking on Latvian national television on January 28, 2016, Bergmanis reminded the public that his Russian counterpart, Sergey Shoigu, announced the Kremlin’s plans to sculpture three divisions in western Russia this year.

He added that every military district in Latvia should also expect to undergo spot checks in 2016, meaning Latvia should re-examine the capability of its armed forces this year.
Latvia and others Baltic countries are midget countries with midget armed forces. They should create common united armed forces in order to somehow defence themselves and get time for major NATO forces to arrive.
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Latvia and others Baltic countries are midget countries with midget armed forces. They should create common united armed forces in order to somehow defence themselves and get time for major NATO forces to arrive.
Somehow I doubt that would help.
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Somehow I doubt that would help.
After all their total population is ~6 mln. and overall strength of the three armed forces is ~50 000. It is something significant, using proper strategy and tactics of course.
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A military alliance is much less than the sum of its parts. Diplomatically, it may make some sense.

Then again, knee jerk reactions and needless escalation may not be the best answer. Better would be to focus on internal stability and prosperity and balanced diplomatic relations. The ukrainian affair happened because Putin's hand was forced because of hostile actors grabbing power from his ally (puppet?), try to prevent *that* from happening.

(Wikipedia gives the russian minority at 26% of Latvian population. Ouch.)
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10.5% Russian before WW2, 34% in 1989. Latvians 75.5% (& substantial German & Jewish minorities, almost all gone by 1989) & 52%, & 68% in 1897. Fewer Latvians in absolute numbers in 1989 than 1935.

Estonians - 89.4% of Estonia's population in 1897, 88.1% in 1934, 61.5% in 1989. Fewer of 'em in absolute numbers in 1989 than 1934. Russians? 4.6%, 8.2% & 30.3%

No wonder they're scared of Russia.
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10.5% Russian before WW2, 34% in 1989. Latvians 75.5% (& substantial German & Jewish minorities, almost all gone by 1989) & 52%, & 68% in 1897. Fewer Latvians in absolute numbers in 1989 than 1935.

Estonians - 89.4% of Estonia's population in 1897, 88.1% in 1934, 61.5% in 1989. Fewer of 'em in absolute numbers in 1989 than 1934. Russians? 4.6%, 8.2% & 30.3%

No wonder they're scared of Russia.
There's a general pattern of russification in large urban and industrial centers of the former Soviet Union. Typically Russian was the "international" language of the USSR, most major colleges and universities taught in that language, technical manuals and scientific papers were published primarily in Russian. Consequently modern day Ukraine found itself in a situation where it's entire technocratic elite is functionally Russian. The CARs suffered the worst from this, which wasn't helped by their domestic instability, problems with drugs and radical Islam. But the Baltics were in a similar boat. There's a reason they're a sad sight to behold today.

For bonus points you should look into their GDP PPP per capita relative to Russia from '85 until '15. Interesting lesson.
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"...A military alliance is much less than the sum of its parts..."
- I mean a monolithic armed forces with sole military command, not just a military alliance. They already decided to have common air defence, still that is not enough indeed. Actually the Baltic countries should understand they are frontier states and have to fight to survive.
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Then again, knee jerk reactions and needless escalation may not be the best answer. Better would be to focus on internal stability and prosperity and balanced diplomatic relations
- is that about Russia?. Probably you do not have much info about the Ukrainian conflict. That is not a national interior conflict, and generally Ukrainians do not worry about using Russian language around. Many people think that Russia had decided that Ukraine really could escape to Europe and started preparations to take Ukraine under tight control long time ago.
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- that is right, after decades of genocide and national oppression they hate Russians as well (and not only the Baltic nations). It was a national policy to settle Russian population to there (not anybody, mostly ex-militaries, communist party workers etc).
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There's a general pattern of russification in large urban and industrial centers of the former Soviet Union. Typically Russian was the "international" language of the USSR, most major colleges and universities taught in that language, technical manuals and scientific papers were published primarily in Russian. Consequently modern day Ukraine found itself in a situation where it's entire technocratic elite is functionally Russian. The CARs suffered the worst from this, which wasn't helped by their domestic instability, problems with drugs and radical Islam. But the Baltics were in a similar boat. There's a reason they're a sad sight to behold today.

For bonus points you should look into their GDP PPP per capita relative to Russia from '85 until '15. Interesting lesson.
As in Crimea, Russification in the Baltic states was aided by executions & deportations - up to the early 1950s, I think. They also had the establishment of industrial enterprises with entirely imported workforces. Consider the town of Narva - it was almost completely razed after WW2 (it was very heavily damaged in the war), & new housing was allocated to Russians. Estonians who'd fled the fighting, or whose homes had been destroyed, could not return. This was doubtless for strategic reasons, given the location of the town.

GDP figures for the transition from central planning to market economies are, unfortunately, still unreliable, though those for the Baltic states are much better than most ex-Soviet republics. This problem affects all the former Soviet republics, including Russia. They're not consistent with Soviet estimates of the products of the republics, even allowing for biases (e.g. the subsidies to Central Asian republics implicit in the prices paid to cotton producers). Tracking back from current PPP figures using published growth rates gives pre-1990 figures which are hard to believe. More work needs to be done, & that really needs all-union data from Goskomstat.
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You hoped for civilized discussion and ended on another board infested with one liners and other commie propagandists garbage... sorry!

From military point of view and "PREDICTED" conflict by the demons here, it makes superb example of the war in Georgia annexation. (Without being member of NATO) resistance would last longer than "STRATEGIST's" make presumption for, possibly for a couple of weeks, however having a single western NATO soldier killed or imprisoned patriots would easily out-gun soviets defenses and conflict would become a war putin and his cronies would love to never started.

Also, from another speculation, perspective of war in Ukraine- them 3 snipers from Baltics had nearly half million dollar each bounty... proves, that well trained, forces, even single unit soldiers can cause alot of damage to soviets with known level of their morals and training.
Precisely because NATO and the US had little desire to get into a shooting war with Russia over the fate of a couple of Georgian provinces, is why there weren't NATO soldiers defending Georgia, and what US military personnel were in the country were rapidly evacuated. As far as who started the war, it wasn't Tbilisi that was flattened with artillery.
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As in Crimea, Russification in the Baltic states was aided by executions & deportations - up to the early 1950s, I think. They also had the establishment of industrial enterprises with entirely imported workforces. Consider the town of Narva - it was almost completely razed after WW2 (it was very heavily damaged in the war), & new housing was allocated to Russians. Estonians who'd fled the fighting, or whose homes had been destroyed, could not return. This was doubtless for strategic reasons, given the location of the town.
Do you any materials to support the claim that this was deliberate policy rather then a simple consequence of wartime displacement? What is the scale of deportations from the post-war period compared to the total population present? How many of the Balts moved elsewhere in the USSR for personal reasons rather then because they were deported at gun point? The mobility of population in the Soviet Union was much higher then it was in the old Russian Empire. I'm not arguing, I'm genuinely interested in what you base your opinions on.

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GDP figures for the transition from central planning to market economies are, unfortunately, still unreliable, though those for the Baltic states are much better than most ex-Soviet republics. This problem affects all the former Soviet republics, including Russia. They're not consistent with Soviet estimates of the products of the republics, even allowing for biases (e.g. the subsidies to Central Asian republics implicit in the prices paid to cotton producers). Tracking back from current PPP figures using published growth rates gives pre-1990 figures which are hard to believe. More work needs to be done, & that really needs all-union data from Goskomstat.
Look at the figures from independence onward, in that case. The trend is still visible.
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After all their total population is ~6 mln. and overall strength of the three armed forces is ~50 000. It is something significant, using proper strategy and tactics of course.
Unlikely. The Georgians, under ideal geographic conditions, and dealing with a much weaker and less competent Russian military, nonetheless were smashed in mere days. And the Georgians had an overwhelming number advantage at the operational level. The best hope, the only real hope, the Baltics have is that NATO serves as adequate deterrence. And so far it has.
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ruskies and their logic?

Georgia wasn't a member of NATO, simple.

As for the war- don't expect anyone to be that dumb to be in believe, as it was not occupation by ruskie "peace-keepers" that was long term aggression plan of ruskies
Yes. Such a long term plan that they planted the seeds of ethnic strife centuries ago between the various Caucasian tribes...
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