This is a discussion on Implications of Scottish Independence within the Geo-strategic Issues forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Posts were made in relation to "defence and military upheaval" because that's what this is; a defence forum.
It's inevitable ...
Posts were made in relation to "defence and military upheaval" because that's what this is; a defence forum.
It's inevitable that defence topics stray into politics every now and then due to controversial decisions made or industrial policy or whatever, but your direct call to know the political ramifications of an independent Scotland on the continent is too much.
Nothing gets the blood up and the chest thumping going than politics and I have no wish to see the thread go down that route as it's neither fun nor pleasant to witness.
United Kingdom comprised with England & Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland. If Scotland gets its way and got separated from UK union then what would be the political ramification of this move. Will that provide impetuous to the separatist movement in Northern Ireland? How the experts see the future of United Kingdom after this happening.
I was watching the discussion on Russian Television (RT) talk show “cross talk” where experts were saying that SNP wants to remain within European Union after the perceived independence..
This is an exact repeat of a previous post of yours, & fails to address any part of what it was posted as a reply to.
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Originally Posted by explorer9
The question I asked over that why the Scots want to come out from the federation of United Kingdom, a veto wielding major regional power.
That has been answered. The answer is that we don't know that they do want to leave the UK. They've never voted for it. The highest ever vote for a pro-independence party is 23% of the electorate. The question is wrong.
This is an exact repeat of a previous post of yours, & fails to address any part of what it was posted as a reply to.
That has been answered. The answer is that we don't know that they do want to leave the UK. They've never voted for it. The highest ever vote for a pro-independence party is 23% of the electorate. The question is wrong.
Kindly evade the repeated points and address the below mentioned point:
Economic crisis and ethno-linguistic nationalism aggravated the pro-independence movement in a number of European Countries. How the internal dynamics of UK different from Spain and Belgium?
Kindly evade the repeated points and address the below mentioned point:
Economic crisis and ethno-linguistic nationalism aggravated the pro-independence movement in a number of European Countries. How the internal dynamics of UK different from Spain and Belgium?
You can not demand replies from anyone to anything you post. All members can choose what they reply to.
You repeated a question which had already been answered, while quoting the answer. I suggest you modify your posting style, & read the replies to your posts more carefully.
I was watching the discussion on Russian Television (RT) talk show “cross talk” where experts were saying that SNP wants to remain within European Union after the perceived independence. The question I asked over that why the Scots want to come out from the federation of United Kingdom, a veto wielding major regional power.
I'll expand a little bit on this point in that the SNP apparently have been under the impression that they'd automatically enter the EU retaining all the waivers and rights the UK has, but it's been recently suggested that in fact Scotland would have to apply from scratch, in effect much as any other new entrant to the EU would.
That's troublesome for the SNP as it'd erode some of their ambitions in terms of retaining controls on borders, immigration etc.
With reference to the rest of the UK, Wales is a principality, not a country (although best not raise that in a pub with a Welsh Rugby team present, you might have to leave sharpish..) Ireland and Wales both have regional assemblies with some local powers of government, although neither assembly has much in the way of tax raising powers etc.
There's no serious possibility of Scottish independence causing a stampede for Wales and Ireland to follow suit, put it that way.
As has been indicated, there's very likely to be a "no" vote for Independence in any event - most polls show the Scots are broadly opposed to dissolving the union and as the more complex and troublesome issues emerge.
Some of those issues will be the impact of reduced defence based jobs for instance, and this is where a large chunk of the discussions on this thread have focussed.
Just asking if scotland did gain independance what is the UK going to do about air defence that would leave just conninsby would they consider leeming again one air defence base is not enough,what happens when conninsby needs its runway replacing stuff like that.
But even so would Scotland be able to man vessels like that? The whole Scottish military will be around 20k including reserves (15,000 full time 5000 reservists) so would be operating vessels ~180 be worth it? A River class OPV is manned by about ~30 so right there that's enough crew for roughly 6 OPVs, they need vessels with as much manpower efficiency as they can get.
In terms of manpower that’s double the size of the NZDF (8500 regulars, 2200 reserves). With only about 2500 uniforms in the RNZN which for its size performs at a level beyond its weight.
Ships of the RNZN; 1x Strategic Sealift ship, 2x Frigates, 6x Patrol boats, 1x Replenishment oiler and Diving Support Vessel and 5x helicopters.
It’s the budget and the spread of uniforms will dictate how the Scottish Defence forces performs, any indication on how they want to spread the numbers?
In terms of manpower that’s double the size of the NZDF (8500 regulars, 2200 reserves). With only about 2500 uniforms in the RNZN which for its size performs at a level beyond its weight.
Ships of the RNZN; 1x Strategic Sealift ship, 2x Frigates, 6x Patrol boats, 1x Replenishment oiler and Diving Support Vessel and 5x helicopters.
It’s the budget and the spread of uniforms will dictate how the Scottish Defence forces performs, any indication on how they want to spread the numbers?
True other comparisons above and below could be: Danish Navy have about 3500 and will operate 5 major combat ships, about 11 sizable patrol/OPV and c60 over vessels and the Irish Naval Service with c1450 and 8 OPV/patrol vessels. I suspect the SNP would rather be in the INS space, but to buy votes will present a case nearer the Danish.
In terms of manpower that’s double the size of the NZDF (8500 regulars, 2200 reserves). With only about 2500 uniforms in the RNZN which for its size performs at a level beyond its weight.
Ships of the RNZN; 1x Strategic Sealift ship, 2x Frigates, 6x Patrol boats, 1x Replenishment oiler and Diving Support Vessel and 5x helicopters.
It’s the budget and the spread of uniforms will dictate how the Scottish Defence forces performs, any indication on how they want to spread the numbers?
Hard to tell from what little concrete statements the SNP has made I'm afraid. I suspect the bulk of the force will be army personnel, reviving some old cap badges as that's the cheapest way of providing the visible portion of the defence.
There's discussion of "ocean going ships" for sea control but that could well mean a fleet of OPV's rather than anything like a frigate.
In terms of fast air, I'm seeing more and more comments from Scots indicating they're wondering why they'd bother so perhaps something more like the Irish Republic is in line.
I'll expand a little bit on this point in that the SNP apparently have been under the impression that they'd automatically enter the EU retaining all the waivers and rights the UK has, but it's been recently suggested that in fact Scotland would have to apply from scratch, in effect much as any other new entrant to the EU would.
That's troublesome for the SNP as it'd erode some of their ambitions in terms of retaining controls on borders, immigration etc.
With reference to the rest of the UK, Wales is a principality, not a country (although best not raise that in a pub with a Welsh Rugby team present, you might have to leave sharpish..) Ireland and Wales both have regional assemblies with some local powers of government, although neither assembly has much in the way of tax raising powers etc.
There's no serious possibility of Scottish independence causing a stampede for Wales and Ireland to follow suit, put it that way.
As has been indicated, there's very likely to be a "no" vote for Independence in any event - most polls show the Scots are broadly opposed to dissolving the union and as the more complex and troublesome issues emerge.
Some of those issues will be the impact of reduced defence based jobs for instance, and this is where a large chunk of the discussions on this thread have focussed.
Ian
Thanks,
yes i am agreed with the points that you explicated.
