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Old June 14th, 2017   #46
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We still do have soldiers in Turkey after that, mostly the AWACS crews operating out of Konya a bit further west from Incirlik.

First troops directly from Incirlik were transferred to Al-Azraq today btw, reinforcing the small planning staff that was deployed from Germany last thursday.

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Of course there are other issues, such as working in Turkey.
Wasn't that complicated apparently. There've been a lot less issues in practice in Incirlik than in previous German deployments to Turkey, possibly because after all pretty much half of it is a US base.

Some notable problems operating in Turkey recently had Active Fence (Patriot deployment on the Syrian border), where there were some incidents - attacks - with the local population, but also in particular the - in Germany barely known - two-year deployment in Trabzon on the northern coast (air/sea logistics turntable transferring equipment back from Afghanistan) where on Turkish insistence German soldiers weren't allowed off-base in uniform, the German troops could not fly any flags from the buildings they operated from, and the whole thing went to the ridiculous extent that a visiting German Navy admiral had to fly in in civilian clothing on a non-military aircraft. Trabzon also had administrative issues where the Turkish government showed itself uncooperative (such as the medical officer having problems taking along an on-hand minimum of sedatives, or being unable to import alcohol-based desinfectants...).
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I remember almost 30 years ago encountering some antipodean women (one of who later stayed with me here ) having a picnic in the main square in Trabzon, washed down with beer. Nobody objected, back then.

I think there have been changes for the worse in some aspects of Turkish life - & I notice that the local government in Trabzon has been run by Erdogan's party for many years.
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I notice that the local government in Trabzon has been run by Erdogan's party for many years.
His parents are actually from that region - Rize province immediately bordering Trabzon to the east.

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having a picnic in the main square in Trabzon, washed down with beer.
Around 2009 police in tourist areas started cracking down on beer consumption as a supposed violation of traffic ordinances; around 2011 alcohol-free beer was outlawed as an "entry drug"; in 2013 the sale of alcohol at night was outlawed and restaurants are required to set up separate "alcohol-free" and "alcohol" rooms, following parliament passing the required bills after Erdogan called Atatürk an alcoholic in his speech supporting it; since 2014 alcohol and places selling such may no longer be avertised, including censoring movies containing alcohol consumption scenes; in 2015 alcohol consumption in outdoor public areas was completely outlawed.

To be fair it's not that much differently handled from some parts of Germany, actually.
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