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A "European Army" is now a real possibility

This is a discussion on A "European Army" is now a real possibility within the Geo-strategic Issues forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by My2Cents Shouldn’t he have used Latin to speak to god? Charles V was deeply embedded into the ...


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Old October 1st, 2012   #91
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Shouldn’t he have used Latin to speak to god?
Charles V was deeply embedded into the Spanish catholic church, to the point where he lived his last years in a villa attached to a Hyronomite cloister.

Of course there are different versions of that quote too. The second version would be hablo latín con Dios, italiano con los músicos, español con las damas, francés en La corte, alemán con los lacayos e inglés con mis caballos, the third version would be Alemán con los soldados, Inglés con los perros, Francés con las señoras, Italiano con los embajadores, Español con Dios.

The second version is the one that's been made official by said cloister. Latin with god, italian with the musicians, spanish with the women, french at the court, german with the servants and english with the horses.

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Latin, Spanish, France, Dutch/Flemish, British (Or Britannic) where languages spoken by most nobles regardless of origin in medieval Europa.
To quote Charles V on that - supposedly, according to Pierre de Bourdille, after being asked to speak French:
entiéndame si quiere, y no espere de mi otras palabras que en mi lengua española, la cual es tan noble que merece ser sabida y entendida de toda la gente cristiana.
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I have colossal doubts about Germany joining the Anglo-French wagon of unified command structure. See the history of Germans (Germanic tribes) from the fall of western roman empires by their hands till today.
What? You've got that back to front! German armed forces have operated entirely in unified international command structures since being reconstituted after WW2. The W. European countries that have kept the greatest military independence have been the UK & (even more) France.

Germany's only caveat about unified military commands is its wish to be able to avoid getting dragged into wars it'd rather keep out of. It does not seek military independence.

You're looking at a past which is so distant as to be irrelevant to justify a false view of the present. Does anyone cite Rome as relevant to the Italian military in the 20th century? Or the stunningly victorious Arab armies of the 7th century as models of the effectiveness of modern Arab armies?
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German armed forces have operated entirely in unified international command structures since being reconstituted after WW2.
If we're pulling out the history - German troops have fought in "unified command structures" since at least the 1620s...

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The W. European countries that have kept the greatest military independence have been the UK & (even more) France.
That would actually be Switzerland. Post-WW2 within current NATO/EU, probably Franco's Spain.
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I was thinking of countries that didn't confine themselves to solitary defence of their own territory.
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Do you know what with the arguments that are already popping up with regards to the merger of EADs and BAe no way can we trust our defence to someone else.We have seen many times where so called joint projects have not gone aswell as they should have remember back in the 70's when the UK and France made and tried to sell the jaguar the French rubbished it everywhere they could to sell the mirage f-1,werent the eurofighter a joint programme before France pulled out
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What? You've got that back to front! German armed forces have operated entirely in unified international command structures since being reconstituted after WW2. The W. European countries that have kept the greatest military independence have been the UK & (even more) France.

Germany's only caveat about unified military commands is its wish to be able to avoid getting dragged into wars it'd rather keep out of. It does not seek military independence.

You're looking at a past which is so distant as to be irrelevant to justify a false view of the present. Does anyone cite Rome as relevant to the Italian military in the 20th century? Or the stunningly victorious Arab armies of the 7th century as models of the effectiveness of modern Arab armies?

Your inputs on the said subject are useful and based on the facts but my assessment on the future of unified European command structure varies from your vision. I have doubt on France, UK and Germany coming under unified command structure until and unless there is huge geopolitical necessity and that is not foreseeable any time soon.
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They're under a unified command structure already. It's called NATO.

A European army is a very different thing from a unified command structure.
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They're under a unified command structure already. It's called NATO.

A European army is a very different thing from a unified command structure.
NATO is something different. 3 quarter of NATO spokes are braced by Uncle Sam look the military budget of US and it's contribution in running the NATO. That is the best for Europe in general and EU in particular. Look the membership negotiation pattern of EU it goes through NATO umbrella.
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