Domestic Security in India in light of Global Terrorism

dragonfire

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This sounds like a very sensitive topic and it is, am a new member, however ever since the Mumbai terror attacks i have been thinking of ways and means to increase domestic security as well as how India could be a global power in terms of being able to achieve peace by projecting the power and capabilities of its armed forces.

I request everyone to post on two lines of discussions one on tackling terrorism and the second what kind of equipments and warfare systems should the Indian armed forces have (Army, Navy, Airforce, Strategic Nuclear Command, Paramillitary forces etc )

I request people to post without discussing any specific coutries, religions and or politic topics as this may lead to the thread being stopped
 

riksavage

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India needs to invest time and money into developing regional terrorist teams at a tier-two level to support the tier-one Black Cats. These units should focus on urban scenarios only and build up capabilities, similar to most developed countries police SWAT units. I would focus on the following, taking Mumbai as a typical example:

Unit size: 150 max (operational staff plus support)

HQ Section (OC, 2IC, Operational Int Cell, logistics and admin support)
Training Wing (drafted Black Cats with international exposure to current best practice), and a
Operational Wing, comprising:

2 x land assault teams based on 16 x men per team (broken down into four sub-units) Each Team would alternate on reserve allowing for 24-7 coverage.
The 4 x man-sub teams broken down according specialization (M-MOE, Medic, Climbing Cadre and Explosive Entry)

2 x Sniper Teams based on 10 men, 4 x sniper pairs plus sniper leader and 2iC. Each 10 man team would again rotate on reserve, thus in the event of a call-out you would be able to deploy a minimum of 16 x assault & 10 x snipers under the command of selected HQ personnel. 4 x sniper pairs means you will be able to deploy one pair for each face of a target building.

Should the emergency require additional resources, the team not on reserve will be stood up.

Weapons & Equipment:

M-MOE: Quickie saws, battering rams, kerry-cutting cable, hydromatic-cutting jaws, hatton rounds etc, etc..
Medic: Standard trauma pack as issued to US SF Medics
Climbing Cadre: Trained to be lead climbers (equipment: caving ladders, swarm ropes, lift-shaft climbing equip, absailing equip etc. etc.)
Explosive Entry: (Hydro-cut, basic frame charges and door charges, non-explosive entry equipment - Harvey Wallbanger)

Assault: usual array of weapons, grenades & protective armour (minimum B7) M4's, SSG550's 5.56mm (9mm side arm only), stun and flasbang grenades
Sniper: AI, PSG1, SSG3000 plus irritant projectile capability: RIP round, 40mm CS or similar.

Communications: Good quality secure comms plus supporting mobile repeater stations

Covert Deployment vehicles: allowing for the deployment of team and equipment to holding area without drawing attention to oneself.
4x4 vehicles: reinforced, fitted with suitable roof racks allowing for a shit or bust vehicle response option using ladders.

Training facilities:

Basic tire house CQB, or even better purpose built training centre allowing for both 5.56mm and 9mm live firing in an environment, which allows the room layouts to be changed.
At least one 100-metre outdoor range and 25-metre indoor range to allow for at least two full days per week range time for the operational teams

Unfortunately all of the above costs big bucks, plus training time. Most credible units will run a two week selection followed by at least six months training before individuals are allowed to become operational.

Unless India is prepared to divert money from the conventional defence budget then I can't see this happening.
 

dragonfire

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Excellent POA for Counter Terrorism Commando force - gud 1 riksavage,

However i would like to know your opinion, India being a democratic republic leaves most domestic law enforcement to its state level police forces, however the structured force requires a centraly mandated force with similar equipement, tactics and philosophy. India presently has an elite commando force in the NSG and today they have decided to have four more hubs apart from the one in the Delhi region

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Four_metros_set_to_get_NSG_hubs/articleshow/3876011.cms

The NSG looks like it has a effective training system and also has commendable equipment although i know of only these Some NSG personnel use weapons like the famed 9mm Uzi sub-machine gun. Their weapon of choice, however, is the Heckler & Koch family of 9mm sub-machine guns, the 7.62mm PSG-1 sniper weapon and the Heckler & Koch 512 12-gauge shotgun. Side arms include Glock 17 and Sig Sauer P226 9mm pistols. They also have effective bomb disposal squads as well as forensic teams and good comm systems as well as effective surveilance gadgets

Would you suggest NSG hubs in every city or perhaps an NSG (or similarly) trained parallel force in every city also should it be centraly administered or regional forces separate for each state under the existing police structure
 

dragonfire

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News Update

Regarding the NSG hubs there is finaly a decision been made, there will be hubs at Mumbai, Chennai, Hyderabad and Kolkata apart from the current HQ in Delhi. Bangalore which is the base of the Parachute Regiment will be covered by these crack troops. Also the NSG will be allowed to acquire aircraft The special aircraft that would be acquired for the force could be either the IL-76 or AN-32 transport aircraft. Apart from which the NSG can also be given Civil aviation aircrat if required for emergency actions and til the time their own aircrafts arrive, this would be requisitioned by the NSG chief

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...anti-terror_operation/articleshow/4027528.cms
 

dragonfire

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News Update

Govt to take a Rs 800-cr grip over phone tapping


NEW DELHI: India will soon face far higher levels of phone surveillance with the government set to take control of all phone and wire tapping activities. Till now, the government would entrust the work of tapping to the relevant individual telecom operators. But a felt need for higher levels of secrecy in the backdrop of growing terror attacks, has spurred it do away with multiple channels of surveillance and set up instead a centralized official tapping facility.

Govt to take a Rs 800-cr grip over phone tapping- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

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The 8 Billion Rs (approx 160 Mil USD) initiative will be utilising American and Israeli technical equipment. India will have it's own NSA style monitoring facilities. India will finaly have a centralised wire Taping facility. Currently these are being done at each individual operator level. With this facility all mobile, landline traffic as well as long distance and data traffic could be intercepted and monitored. This initiative will help in having a standadized system and therefore predictable time taken for results
 

dragonfire

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News Update 2

Cops get new bullet-proof vehicle

MUMBAI: The Mahindra Defence System (MDS) on Wednesday handed over an armoured capsule-based light bullet-proof vehicle to the city police to combat terror-like situations. Nine more such vehicles will be given to the city police soon, said a senior police officer.

Raghu Raman, CEO, Mahindra Special service group, handed over the first tranche of the Marksman, India's first such vehicle, to the police chief, D Sivanandan. "Using this bullet- and grenade-proof vehicle, the policemen can enter the terror-affected areas and fight terrorists,'' said Raman. The vehicle, manufactured at Faridabad, has firing pots and can seat at least six persons.

Cops get new bullet-proof vehicle - Mumbai - City - NEWS - The Times of India
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Leasons learnt from the Mumbai attacks, the Toyota Qualis vehicle of the ATS chief was peperred with bullets resulting in his death along with his collegues who were co-passengers. This will help if they also had a tactical unit ala SWAT of the police depts in the US

The picture of the Vehicle
 

dragonfire

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India needs to invest time and money into developing regional terrorist teams at a tier-two level to support the tier-one Black Cats. These units should focus on urban scenarios only and build up capabilities, similar to most developed countries police SWAT units. I would focus on the following, taking Mumbai as a typical example:

Unit size: 150 max (operational staff plus support)

HQ Section (OC, 2IC, Operational Int Cell, logistics and admin support)
Training Wing (drafted Black Cats with international exposure to current best practice), and a
Operational Wing, comprising:

2 x land assault teams based on 16 x men per team (broken down into four sub-units) Each Team would alternate on reserve allowing for 24-7 coverage.
The 4 x man-sub teams broken down according specialization (M-MOE, Medic, Climbing Cadre and Explosive Entry)

2 x Sniper Teams based on 10 men, 4 x sniper pairs plus sniper leader and 2iC. Each 10 man team would again rotate on reserve, thus in the event of a call-out you would be able to deploy a minimum of 16 x assault & 10 x snipers under the command of selected HQ personnel. 4 x sniper pairs means you will be able to deploy one pair for each face of a target building.

Should the emergency require additional resources, the team not on reserve will be stood up.

Weapons & Equipment:

M-MOE: Quickie saws, battering rams, kerry-cutting cable, hydromatic-cutting jaws, hatton rounds etc, etc..
Medic: Standard trauma pack as issued to US SF Medics
Climbing Cadre: Trained to be lead climbers (equipment: caving ladders, swarm ropes, lift-shaft climbing equip, absailing equip etc. etc.)
Explosive Entry: (Hydro-cut, basic frame charges and door charges, non-explosive entry equipment - Harvey Wallbanger)

Assault: usual array of weapons, grenades & protective armour (minimum B7) M4's, SSG550's 5.56mm (9mm side arm only), stun and flasbang grenades
Sniper: AI, PSG1, SSG3000 plus irritant projectile capability: RIP round, 40mm CS or similar.

Communications: Good quality secure comms plus supporting mobile repeater stations

Covert Deployment vehicles: allowing for the deployment of team and equipment to holding area without drawing attention to oneself.
4x4 vehicles: reinforced, fitted with suitable roof racks allowing for a shit or bust vehicle response option using ladders.

Training facilities:

Basic tire house CQB, or even better purpose built training centre allowing for both 5.56mm and 9mm live firing in an environment, which allows the room layouts to be changed.
At least one 100-metre outdoor range and 25-metre indoor range to allow for at least two full days per week range time for the operational teams

Unfortunately all of the above costs big bucks, plus training time. Most credible units will run a two week selection followed by at least six months training before individuals are allowed to become operational.

Unless India is prepared to divert money from the conventional defence budget then I can't see this happening.
The Mumbai police has on 24th Nov 09 commisioned a commando force which will be the Tier-two level commando force, the tier-one force is the NSG, the NSG had commisioned a base in Mumbai a few months back.

The Force One will have a sanctioned strength of 1000. The first batch 216 commandos have succesfuly completed the training and have been deployed as a QRT in the city. Force One takes 15 minutes to get ready and respond to a terror strike. It has an array of AK-47s, MP5 and Glock pistols, apart from shotguns, underbarrel grenade launchers, breeching equipment and explosives at its disposal. Apart from this it also uses the M4 carbine, infact i saw yesterday the commandos on the anniversary of 26/11 holding the M4 apart from other weapons, the M4 is rarely used by Indian Forces. The bullet-proof vehicle in my previous post is going to be used by this team
 
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