http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/ Forum for topics on air force weapons and military aviation issues. Discuss world air force aircraft including fighter aircrafts, bomber aircraft, transport and helicopter aircraft, UAVs, and future aviation technologies. Share your experience in air force training, pilot training as well as how air forces have changed warfare over the past century. en Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:12:44 GMT vBulletin 60 http://img.defencetalk.com/forums/imagize/misc/rss.jpg http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/f-18e-f-good-air-air-12641/ Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:35:06 GMT Previously from the other thread locked, due to the hampty dampty question marks. So is it a good plane fighting in air to air like maneuverability etc? that the super hornet performs as a fighter? is it a good air superiority fighter for the 21st century? please mod, give me another chance,... Previously from the other thread locked, due to the hampty dampty question marks.

So is it a good plane fighting in air to air like maneuverability etc? that the super hornet performs as a fighter? is it a good air superiority fighter for the 21st century?

please mod, give me another chance, need this question answered.

i'm no hornet expert but looks like its a good performer as a fighter but just want the answer to other members if it's suited as a air to air plane.

:lam ]]> flyman2009 http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/f-18e-f-good-air-air-12641/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/benefits-limitations-low-frequency-radar-systems-12637/ Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:23:26 GMT One idea that is oft-repeated (albiet on the Interwebz, and sometimes by armchair generals) is that of using a low-frequency radar to find LO/VLO targets. However, it appears that this would run into some difficulties as far as resolution and clutter are concerned. What kind of resolution could... One idea that is oft-repeated (albiet on the Interwebz, and sometimes by armchair generals) is that of using a low-frequency radar to find LO/VLO targets. However, it appears that this would run into some difficulties as far as resolution and clutter are concerned. What kind of resolution could one expect from a low-frequency radar?

Also, I know pulse-Doppler filtering can be used to reduce clutter, but does an LO/VLO platform make it more difficult to use pulse-Doppler (i.e. -- does it cause the Doppler shift to be more difficult to discern)?

Then, of course, there's the whole idea of using bistatic radars to detect the energy reflected by the target. The only problem I see with that is that it depends on knowing exactly which direction the LO/VLO platform is attacking from, in order to position the multiple receivers in the path of the reflected radar signals. ]]> Tico90 http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/benefits-limitations-low-frequency-radar-systems-12637/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/manning-trial-apache-gun-camera-12635/ Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:05:05 GMT I was reading the Washington Post today about the Bradley Manning trial. First I'd like to say I'm not gonna spout my views so don't worry. In short though
I am NOT defending him. The prosecution said a 2007 video from an Apache's gun camera could help U.S. enemies because they could see the Heads up
Display it appears. Now I've seen A LOT of gun camera footage and many from Apaches so how does that argument make any sense with dozens of other videos that show basically the same thing including the HUD.

I'm all for justice but this is smelling like a witch hunt. I see it as the Army is embarrassed and isn't happy about its dirty laundry being posted on the Internet. Any thoughts? Could enemies really have gotten any type of edge from that video? ]]> Rimasta http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/manning-trial-apache-gun-camera-12635/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/false-launch-12627/ Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:38:06 GMT a radar like Fan Song for the S-75 Dvina could perform a false launch to the enemy which missile guidance signals were transmitted without a missile actually being launched. This could distract enemy pilots, or even occasionally cause them to drop ordinance prematurely to lighten their aircraft... a radar like Fan Song for the S-75 Dvina could perform a false launch to the enemy which missile guidance signals were transmitted without a missile actually being launched. This could distract enemy pilots, or even occasionally cause them to drop ordinance prematurely to lighten their aircraft enough to dodge the nonexistent missile

but i got a question , for what range could this method deployed ? i know the Fan Song is close to 150 km could it be done at 100 km ? ]]> Anas Ali http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/false-launch-12627/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/super-hornet-air-air-question-thread-12620/ Sun, 09 Jun 2013 22:01:41 GMT Hello, i want to know if the super hornet is superior in terms of air superiority of today. It's receiving block III upgrades. also when it recives the EPE Engines does it increase the super hornets air superiority capabilities? It has AIM-9x,JHMCS,APG-79, superior maneuverability.

Also I'm new here. Any pilots or experts could tell me please? I love the super hornet in air superiority. But I've been reading some false statements about the super hornet not being good in air to air. So makes me feel sick and worried ]]> flyman2009 http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/super-hornet-air-air-question-thread-12620/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/strange-but-important-question-12619/ Sun, 09 Jun 2013 14:07:46 GMT 1.Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) / some people like to believe that its the ability of your early warning radars to guide the fire control radars to targets precisely through coordinates and data associated with tracks even if the fire control radars cant detect the target in case if its... 1.Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) / some people like to believe that its the ability of your early warning radars to guide the fire control radars to targets precisely through coordinates and data associated with tracks even if the fire control radars cant detect the target in case if its stealthy or for any other reason ?!!


2.can awacs like hawkeye 2000 guide sparrow , amraam , r77 or missiles in general ?! ]]> Anas Ali http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/strange-but-important-question-12619/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/aim-120-amraam-pk-12615/ Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:08:00 GMT I've heard that the AMRAAM's Probability of Kill is somewhere around 43%; however, it seems that this percentage is faulty, as it is a ratio of number of missiles launched to number of targets destroyed, which isn't always an accurate ratio for determining a missile's effectiveness (i.e. if two missiles were fired at a target, and both hit it, the Pk would be 50%, even though both missiles successfully intercepted the target). It would seem that this factor would artificially depress a missile's Pk and make it appear less effective than it actually is.

Obviously, official figures are classified, but... would anyone here have a general idea/rough approximation as to what the AIM-120D's abilities are, in terms of the probability of it intercepting an enemy aircraft? ]]> Tico90 http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/aim-120-amraam-pk-12615/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/new-airplane-12613/ Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:49:28 GMT I just joined this forum to ask a question of anyone that may have an idea where I should look next for more information. First a bit about me. I am a private pilot. I was US Army in Vietnam, and am a retired computer engineer. Also, I did work as a civilian on the A6 weapons system simulator... I just joined this forum to ask a question of anyone that may have an idea where I should look next for more information.

First a bit about me. I am a private pilot. I was US Army in Vietnam, and am a retired computer engineer. Also, I did work as a civilian on the A6 weapons system simulator back years ago, so I do know a little about aviation, and more specifically Navy Aviation. I do not claim to know a lot, and my experience is old (like me).

Ok, now the question: Any idea what would use a ducted fan for a prop? (that is what it sounded like to me) Very high speed, ducted fan sound kind of like the old sound suppressed ducted fans we used to use in the old very large computer systems for cooling.

I did not see the aircraft. By the sound, It was flying low and (guess) about 300+ knots, west to east.

I would assume Navy or Air Force, we have a NAS about 150 miles west and an Air Force base about the same distance east of us, and because of proximity to the Canadian border (I assume) we have regular EA6B and F15 flights in our area.

But this was strange. Definite a suppressed ducted fan type sound, I doubt they could ever make a fan jet that quiet, even though a fan jet is just a very large, multi-stage. ducted fan.

Any idea's what I heard? ]]> hermannr http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/new-airplane-12613/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/aircraft-surveillance-operator-raaf-12586/ Fri, 24 May 2013 09:56:46 GMT Hey guys got my additional testing for the ASOP in a couple of weeks in Australia just wondering if anyone has any tips on what the questions will be for my second testing or somewhere I could source some help. Any help would be really appreciated :) thanks Hey guys

got my additional testing for the ASOP in a couple of weeks in Australia just wondering if anyone has any tips on what the questions will be for my second testing or somewhere I could source some help.

Any help would be really appreciated :)

thanks ]]> recruit1 http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/aircraft-surveillance-operator-raaf-12586/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/air-power-australia-low-observability-12582/ Wed, 22 May 2013 17:11:23 GMT After looking around the forums, I've gotten the feeling that APA doesn't exactly get much love around here. :D I was checking out the pages on their site, and I found an interesting little gem on low-observable aircraft.

According to APA, the outer mold line on the F-35 has a "catastrophic" effect on the radar cross section of the F-35 -- according to APA, it makes it completely un-stealthy.

This is an interesting revelation, as the same outer mold line can be observed on every other low-observable aircraft.

APA's "analysis" on low-observability is also amusing because they analyze the J-20 and completely ignore the canards and non-serrated engine nozzles (as well as the F-35 style outer mold line), and declare it to be an extremely low-observable aircraft, with a level of observability approaching that of the F-22.

APA also states that long-range missiles such as the AIM-120 AMRAAM would be useless in an air-to-air combat, but then says that Russian aircraft have a major advantage because their R-77 missile has a maximum range of 160 kilometers, versus the AIM-120C, with a maximum range of 105 kilometers. Apparently, APA considers long-range missiles to be useless, unless of course they are Russian.

It seems that Air Power Australia has a bit of a double standard... ]]> Tico90 http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/air-power-australia-low-observability-12582/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/why-usa-worried-syrian-air-defenses-12554/ Thu, 09 May 2013 13:24:30 GMT The following article below was in the Wall Street Journal this morning. The F22 has not been really tested operationally against any current adversaries. This will be an real test bed for the aircraft IMO if the USA decides to impose a no fly zone in Syria? Wall Street Journal May 9, 2013 ... The following article below was in the Wall Street Journal this morning. The F22 has not been really tested operationally against any current adversaries. This will be an real test bed for the aircraft IMO if the USA decides to impose a no fly zone in Syria?

Wall Street Journal
May 9, 2013
Pg. 11

U.S. Is Warned Russia Plans Syria Arms Sale
By Jay Solomon, Adam Entous and Julian E. Barnes

WASHINGTON—Israel has warned the U.S. that a Russian deal is imminent to sell advanced ground-to-air missile systems to Syria, weapons that would significantly boost the regime's ability to stave off intervention in its civil war.

U.S. officials said on Wednesday that they are analyzing the information Israel provided about the suspected sale of S-300 missile batteries to Syria, but wouldn't comment on whether they believed such a transfer was near.

Russian officials didn't immediately return requests to comment. The Russian Embassy in Washington has said its policy is not to comment on arms sales or transfers between Russia and other countries.

The government of President Bashar al-Assad has been seeking to purchase S-300 missile batteries—which can intercept both manned aircraft and guided missiles—from Moscow going back to the George W. Bush administration, U.S. officials said. Western nations have lobbied President Vladimir Putin's government not to go ahead with the sale. If Syria were to acquire and deploy the systems, it would make any international intervention in Syria far more complicated, according to U.S. and Middle East-based officials.

According to the information the Israelis provided in recent days, Syria has been making payments on a 2010 agreement with Moscow to buy four batteries for $900 million. They cite financial transactions from the Syrian government, including one made this year through Russia's foreign-development bank, known as the VEB.

The package includes six launchers and 144 operational missiles, each with a range of 125 miles, according to the information the Israelis provided. The first shipment could come over the next three months, according to the Israelis' information, and be concluded by the end of the year. Russia is also expected to send two instruction teams to train Syria's military in operating the missile system, the Israelis say.

Russia has been Mr. Assad's most important international backer, outside of Iran, since the conflict in Syria started in March 2011, and supplies Syria with arms, funding and fuel. Russia maintains a naval port in Syria, its only outlet to the Mediterranean. Moscow also has publicly voiced worries that a collapsed Syria could fuel Islamist activities in its restive Caucasus regions.

Secretary of State John Kerry met with Mr. Putin on Tuesday in Moscow. The leaders said they would stage an international conference this month aimed at ending the civil war. U.S. officials couldn't say whether Messrs. Kerry and Putin or their teams discussed the arms sale.

British Prime Minister David Cameron is scheduled to visit Mr. Putin in Russia on Friday. The White House on Wednesday said Mr. Cameron would visit Washington on Monday to discuss issues including Syria's civil war and counterterrorism, plus trade and economic issues, with President Barack Obama.

The Obama administration has argued that Mr. Assad has to leave office as part of a political transition in Damascus. The Kremlin has maintained that he retains a large base of support and should be included in negotiations over a future Syrian government.

Should Mr. Putin's government go ahead with the sale, it would mark a significant escalation in the battle between Moscow and Washington over Syria. U.S. officials said they believe Russian technicians are already helping maintain the existing Syrian air-defense units.

The first air-defense deals between Russia and Syria date back decades. Russia in recent years has stepped up shipments to modernize Syria's targeting systems and make the air defenses mobile, and therefore much more difficult for Israel—and the U.S.—to overcome.

According to a U.S. intelligence assessment, Russia began shipping SA-22 Pantsir-S1 units to Syria in 2008. The system, a combination of surface-to-air missiles and 30mm antiaircraft guns, has a digital targeting system and is mounted on a combat vehicle, making it easy to move. Syria has 36 of the vehicles, according to the assessment.

In 2009, the Russians started upgrading Syria's outdated analog SA-3 surface-to-air missile systems, turning them into the SA-26 Pechora-2M system, which is mobile and digital, equipped with missiles with an operational range of 17 miles, according to the assessment.

The U.S. is particularly worried about another modernized system Moscow provides—the SA-5. With an operational range of 175 miles, SA-5 missiles could take out U.S. planes flying from Cyprus, a key North Atlantic Treaty Organization base that was used during Libya operations and would likely be vital in any Syrian operation.

The U.S. has stealth aircraft and ship-based, precision-guided missiles that could take out key air-defense sites. Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has privately told the White House that shutting down the system could require weeks of bombing, putting U.S. fighter pilots in peril and diverting military resources from other priorities.

According to an analysis by the U.S. military's Joint Staff, Syrian air defenses are nearly five times more sophisticated than what existed in Libya before the NATO launched its air campaign there in 2011. Syrian air defenses are about 10 times more sophisticated than the system the U.S. and its allies faced in Serbia. ]]> db2646 http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/why-usa-worried-syrian-air-defenses-12554/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/future-global-hawk-12541/ Wed, 01 May 2013 04:53:47 GMT I've been reading from a few different sources that it's troubled times ahead for the Global Hawk with the U2 possible remaining in service. Are they only phasing out the block 30's or the entire Global Hawk fleet? If all, what are the "alternatives" on the table that we're looking at?

USAF Cancels Block 30 RQ-4 Global Hawk - Defense Update - Military Technology & Defense News
Why Global Hawk Block 40 May Be Killed ]]> rand0m http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/future-global-hawk-12541/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/swedish-air-force-dont-respond-russian-bombers-12516/ Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:22:38 GMT The Swedish air force has recieved hard critism after not responding to Russian planes flying near the swedish border over the Balitic sea. On march 29 two bombers of Tu-22M3 class and four Su-27 fighters left Russia from Sankt petersburg and headed for the swedish mainland over the baltic. Only... The Swedish air force has recieved hard critism after not responding to Russian planes flying near the swedish border over the Balitic sea.

On march 29 two bombers of Tu-22M3 class and four Su-27 fighters left Russia from Sankt petersburg and headed for the swedish mainland over the baltic. Only a few miles from the boarder the planes turned and completed a war exercise.

The Swedish air force tracked the planes with radars but didnt send up any of its Saab Gripen figthers. When asked why the Air force didnt respond the answer was becouse no fighters or pilots was avalible at the time.

Later it was reviled that the Awedish airforce dont have 24/7 respond any more.
Nato did however send up two danish F-16 fighters from its airgroups in the Baltic states.

Today the Swedish gournment called several military representetivs to hearing to get information about the incident.

Russian jets practised attacks on Sweden - The Local
Ryska bombplan övade anfall mot Sverige - Nyheter | SVT.se
Försvaret kallas till utskott om ryska bombplan - Nyheter | SVT.se ]]> Wall83 http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/swedish-air-force-dont-respond-russian-bombers-12516/ http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/unidentified-object-bone-dome-12515/ Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:17:28 GMT Does anyone know what is that circular object mounted on the right of the pilot's bone dome?

RMAF Sukhoi Su-30MKM air demonstration LIMA 2013 - YouTube ]]> STURM http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/unidentified-object-bone-dome-12515/