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Polish Navy

BaltMilitary — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:10:30 GMT

I kindly invite you all to:

BALT MILITARY EXPO organised under the Honorary Patronage of The Polish Minister of National Defence is an event with established international renown and the only trade show in Poland dedicated to the technology and equipment needs of the Navy. BALT MILITARY EXPO include many international corporations (last edition from 12 countries) and all most important companies from Poland.

The aim of the exhibition is to present cutting-edge weaponry, equipment and accessories based on the latest technological solutions to serve defence, security, safety and emergency rescue at sea and on the coast, to the Polish Navy and other types of forces, and for the services of the Ministry of Interior and Administration.

Balt Military Expo 23-25 June 2010

best regards

Chris

Britain may sell one of its 2 QE class carrier to India

Zaitsev — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:08:14 GMT

One of Britain�s new �2bn aircraft carriers could be sold off under cost-cutting plans being considered by the Ministry of Defence. India has lodged a firm expression of interest, the Observer has learned.
The sale of one of the two 65,000-tonne vessels would leave the Royal Navy with a single carrier and could force Britain to borrow from the French fleet, which itself has only one carrier and is reluctant to build more. Last summer the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, proposed to Gordon Brown that the two navies co-ordinate maintenance and refitting so that one was at sea at all times.
According to senior defence sources, Whitehall officials are examining the feasibility of a sale as part of the strategic defence review that will start early next year and is expected to result in savage cuts.
The carrier programme has already been delayed by two years to push back spending commitments, which itself will end up costing the taxpayer more in the long run. BAE Systems began work in July on HMS Queen Elizabeth, which is due to come into service in 2016. Preparatory work on the Prince of Wales, due for launch in 2018, has also started. The two carriers will replace the ageing Invincible class and are three times the size.
There were fears that the government could scrap one altogether. But it is understood that the financial penalties would be prohibitive. About 10,000 jobs in Portsmouth, Barrow-in-Furness, Fife and Glasgow depend on the orders.

MoD may sell aircraft carrier to India to limit cuts IDRW.ORG

Guys how bad is it in Britain now that they might want to sell one of their new carriers...first the nuke sub and now this!!#@
Anyways i dont think the government would buy it though it might just be a fluke show.....they shouldnt but it its too costly(considering how much they have already shelled out on the goshkov

Turkish Navy ESM

groundsar — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:47:00 GMT

Hi All

A couple of questions on the Turkish Navy

I seem to remember that the Turkish Navy awarded a contract to Aselsan about 4 years ago to upgrade the ESM on the Dogan Class - I have been looking around but can't find any info on how the programme is going and if the new systems have been installed - any clues anyone?

Has there been any indication as to the prefered ESM for the new MILGEM Corvettes - again I have had a look around but can't find any details.

Any help greatly appreciated

Groundsar

2nd hand frigates

arkangel007 — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:26:16 GMT

Hi every one

Pretty new in this field. I've been approched by a Goverment in South East Asia who wants to purchased 2 second hand frigate with (-30) services with sea worthy condition. Is anyone there know where and who i can contact to get the information. So that I can introudce them to the goverment official who will talk further.

Thanks in advance

Biggest submarine after Typhoon class?

Wall83 — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:14:42 GMT

When the Russian navy finaly decommison all the Typhoon (Akula) class SSBNs what submarine will the hold the record for being the biggest?

In pure mass it should be the russian Oscar II SSGN class but then its shorter then all the russian and most of western SSBNs. The new russian Borei class has a lengh of 170m but so does the U.S Ohio class. Ohio has more displacement when surfaced (16.000 tons) in comparement with the borei (14.000 tons). The Borei has more when its submerged (24.000 tons), Ohio (18.700 tons).

Its a very close match.

Brazil: "Tonelero" Special Operations Battalion

JAZ — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:13:54 GMT

Hi all - is anyone up-to-date with the Brazilian Marines, "Tonelero", Special Operations Battalion? and in particular the Amphibious Commandos, COMANF, units?

New Patrol Spanish (BAM)

Alonso Quijano — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:07:07 GMT

The Maritime Action Ship (BAM) is a modular type of vessel, adapted to different purposes on a common basis, to be manufactured by Navantia for the Spanish Armada.

The project

The Maritime Action Ship cover a niche somewhere between the corvettes and patrol vessels and surveillance. Its missions include patrol, protection of the exclusive economic zone as well as support and assistance interventions in third countries. Lightly armed Iran, will be capable of rescue and disaster assistance, hospital settings, material transport, combating marine pollution, and provide a platform for helicopter. Be constructed with civilian standards, except in certain aspects to be used in military standards.

On the one hand, his demeanor is similar to a corvette, which would give it the ability to provide wide autonomy, basic endowment house and transport personnel with a high degree of occupancy, stay at sea for long periods without subjecting staff to excessive fatigue, and have an Advanced Combat System based on Common Core of Scomber, with a high degree of interoperability with other Army units.

You are predefined types:

Patrolman ocean or high
Oceanography
Hydrographic
Diving Support
Intelligence Collector
Command and Support Ship (MCM)
The vessel will have a flight deck aft of the hangar (which will be integrated in the superstructure), with dimensions of 24.7 x 13.5 meters, which will launch operations, and refueling takes in hover and vertical supply of helicopters.

The BAM will be equipped with a high level of automation, notably through an integrated control system platform that incorporates all the advances in this field developed in recent years by Navantia for Navy ships.

The basic provision is to be built in quantity of 10 +6 options, while already under construction the first 4 units.

In principle, the patrol will replacing the class "Class Barcel�", "Class Anaga", "Class Hutch", "Class Toralla" and "Discovery Class".

It is also envisaged that a BAM replace the oceanographic Las Palmas (A-52) and one to alert intelligence (A-111).

Units

In the first four ships were assigned the following names and numbers: [1]

BAM Meteorology (P-41)
BAM Lightning (P-42)
BAM Lightning (P-43)
BAM Tornado (P-44)
It is expected that these four first units entering service from 2010. [2] Its construction began on 4 October 2007 with the cutting of the first sheet. [3] and was placed on the stands the first on March 13, 2009 [4] in the shipyard San Fernando-Puerto Real

In June 2009, Secretary of State for Defense, the Congress confirmed the initiation of proceedings for the construction of a second set without specifying their number, but the navy expected to consist of between 4 and 8 additional units

General Characteristics

Displacement: 2,500 t (full load)
Length: 93.9 m
Beam: 14.2 m
Draft: 4.2 m
Armament: 1 cannon 76/62 mm
2 Mounting automatic 25 mm
2 � 12.7 mm
Propulsion: 2 diesel engines
4 groups diesel generators
2 electric motors propellers
1 Emergency generator
Located 2 cross bow thruster
Power: 450 BKW + 660 kWe + 750 kWe + 260 kWe + 500 kWe
Speed: 20.5 knots
Range: 8700 miles
Crew: 35 sailors
Strength: 35 (Marines and helicopter envelope).
Aircraft: 1 Medium Helicopter
Aircraft Equipment: apontaje platform aft
hangar

Images:

http://www.infodefensa.com/noticias/imgs/BAM1dentro.jpg

http://funkoffizier.files.wordpress....ciones5ci2.jpg

photo:

http://i541.photobucket.com/albums/g...re20090076.jpg

Video:

YouTube - Botadura del primer B.A.M,clase Meteoro

YouTube - Botadura BAM METEORO

:cool:

Russian Akula Class

carman1877 — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:59:53 GMT

Could any one tell me what the red and white cirle is on the front of the Russian Akul 971 is?
Also ive been trying to find facts on the amount of torpedo tubes and the weapons fired from them. Pictures of the torpedo tubes or anything else on the sub would be useful.

Thanks

Austral Designed LCS tops 50 MPH!

Crusader2000 — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:58:48 GMT

Alabama-built warship tops out at more than 50 mph
(AP) � 12 hours ago

MOBILE, Ala. � The second of the Navy's new generation of speedy warships designed to operate close to shore topped 50 mph in builder trials completed this month.

Officials say the Independence, a 418-foot ship built in Alabama, traveled in excess of 45 knots, which equates to nearly 52 mph, and sustained 44 knots during a four-hour, full-speed sprint.

The so-called littoral combat ship is the second of two competing designs. The one built by Austal in Mobile, Ala., features a tri-hull design. The lead contractor is Maine's Bath Iron Works, a General Dynamics subsidiary.

The competing ship, Freedom, features a more traditional hull and was built by a team led by Lockheed Martin. It will go into service next year. Eventually, the Navy wants to build up to 55 of the ships.

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who know the current position of Chinese escorting fleet?

silversky — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:23:22 GMT

Hey everyone!

One Chinese bulk had been hijacked by somali pirates, and China said their escorting fleet was heading to the hijacked ship.

So who know the current position of these Chinese frigates? I mean, how long will these ships arrival at the hijacked waters?

Thank you very much!

STINGRAY vs. MU90

yuleidaodan — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:32:22 GMT

Hello,

If we compare these two torpedoes (stingray vs MU90), what would the advantages/downsides of each of them be?
If a Navy has both, what will their choice be based on?

Thanks!

Rafale M's in Storage???

Crusader2000 — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:54:26 GMT

Is it correct that a number of early Naval Rafales (F-1's?) are currently in storage??? If, so are they going to be returned to service soon??

Malaysian Newport LST KD Sri Inderapura gutted by fire

ThePuss — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:15:07 GMT

The Malaysian Newport LST KD Sri Inderapura caught fire a couple of days ago whilst underway and has been gutted but with no loss of life fortunatly.
Inderapura on fire again
She is a total loss so it looks like the RMN is in the market for another LST.

Future Royal Navy SSBN? (Possible Option?)

Crusader2000 — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:41:19 GMT

Well, I was thinking about the Future SSBN Fleet and how the UK could pay for? Really, SSBN's in general are mainly used as deterents. Personally, I've always wondered if even 12 SLBM's was kind of overkill. Especially, consider the UK currently only carrier 4-6 MIRV's per D-5 SLBM. For comparison the US carries 8 on the missle and both could carry as many as "12". (Note: The UK warheads are much smaller than the US ones? 100 kT vs 475 kT)

So, why not drastically cut back the number of missiles carried and just mount more warheads?

The UK for example could add a small section to the current Astute Class SSN. To make a new SSBN with just say 4-6 Tubes. Which, could provide anywhere from 48 MIRV's to 75 MIRV's.

Clearly, such a solution would be vastly cheaper. While, still providing a very worth while deterent. IMO

Australia aquires two tankers by Stealth

ThePuss — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:46:10 GMT

Well seeing that the Aus navy thread is having some "Quite Time". I thought I would start this thread to move the discussion in a different direction.

The R.A.N is soon have four RAS-L supply capable ships. The LHD's are equipped with a single Ras-L rig on the aft STBD side of the Island.

Whilst being a tanker is clearly nowhere near the top of the priorities for the LHD's I do think it is a very handy capability to have if only to provide training to accompanying escorts. From the "Sin Binned" thread it is clear the LHD does not have extensive bunkerage for aviation fuel but I doubt it would have the same issue with F-76 (Diesel). Of course it would not have anywhere near the bunkerage of our AO or AOR but It cleary has some (limited) reserves it can transfer to its escorts.

Being able to supply one or two escorts on longer peace time deployments would be very handy.

Thoughts?

GF and other mods, I am happy to have this thread merged when things have settled down a bit:kar

Russia wants French Helicopter Carriers...

Blue Streak — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:54:19 GMT

This rumour has had some weight for a while.

TheStar.com | Russia | Russia in talks to buy French helicopter carrier

Is the Russian ship building industry in such a bad state, that developments like the Kiev, Moskva and Ivan Rogov are so beyond its capability, that it has to turn external?

What to expect as an aviation boatswain mate (handling)

Flash90 — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:34:34 GMT

This is my rate but Im in DEP now and i would like to know what to expect both onshore and offshore

Body Armour Used For VBSS Operations ??

deadman0513 — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:19:50 GMT

Does anyone know what kind of body armour is used by the various navy for their VBSS and/or other operations ?? Thanks

US Supercarrier Photos Nam

gtb-red — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:39:22 GMT

need supercarrier photos during nam. building a fleet of papercard supercarriers from scratch. thanks for your help.:)

VIDEO LHD keel "Canberra"

Alonso Quijano — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:48:34 GMT

I do not know Spanish but read on this page for the video of the inauguration of the keel of the LHD Canberra.

is the first video and written out:

"NAVANTIA Puesta de Quilla del LHD Camberra"

infodefensa.com - Informaci�n Defensa y Seguridad

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