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This is a discussion on US Artillery Development within the Army & Security Forces forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by gf0012-aust Lucky bugger if he has. I've only seen the footage of it "at work" when I ...


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Old June 6th, 2006   #31
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Lucky bugger if he has. I've only seen the footage of it "at work" when I was at the 2004 Land Warfare Conf in Oz. Also got to see the corporate doco of the K9 playing in the dirt.

The Sth Koreans were getting a lot of attention from some of the snr army guys.
As an option for Land 17?
How does this translate into ADF 2006 thinking (esp after the recent budget)?
The K9 is a big unit, though not as big as its German or South African equivalents I think.

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K-9 is an impressive unit. On paper it is showing similar capabilities to PzH2000 and in field its performance is superb according to Turkish officers i talked to. Turkey has derived a clone of K-9 with some FCS improvements and some local electronic parts and a modified local turret (known as T-155). Turkey and Korea according to latest news will cooperate on developing an extended range ammo for K-9/T-155. However as stated in the posts above it lacks in deployablility.
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I'm really suprised this conversation hasn't mentioned the FCS NLOS-LS system. I think the ability to put over a dozen munitions on target at over a hundred miles away being carried by a HUMV would revolutionize the artillery game.
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I'm really suprised this conversation hasn't mentioned the FCS NLOS-LS system. I think the ability to put over a dozen munitions on target at over a hundred miles away being carried by a HUMV would revolutionize the artillery game.
I agree, especially when you consider the ability to minimise civilian casualties. Although Arty will always have its place.

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I'm really suprised this conversation hasn't mentioned the FCS NLOS-LS system. I think the ability to put over a dozen munitions on target at over a hundred miles away being carried by a HUMV would revolutionize the artillery game.
Not really, that system amounts to a pair of very good anti tank missiles and an interesting launcher concept. It cannot do the job of artillery, which requires volume of fire besides all else; you can’t have volume of fire with missiles because each one will cost at least 30 possibly more then 60,000 dollars. You also don’t have the same responsiveness because it flies much slower then an artillery shell.
The effectiveness against soft and semi hard targets is also going to be inferior. The PAM and LAM are both about the size of Hellfire while having much longer range, so the warhead is unlikely to be over Hellfire’s 20 pounds; similar to the weight of explosives in a 155mm shell. But the 155mm shell gains considerable destructiveness from the metal body fragmenting; you don’t really get fragmentation from the thinly built body of a missile, fragments must be built into that 20-ish pound warhead.

I’m not saying NLOS-LS won’t be great to have and quite effective at what it does, but what it does is not general purpose all weather fire support.
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We must assume thats what the NLOS-C is being developed for. Whilst the range of the NLOS-C is supposed to be lower than that of some other contemporary systems, it's accuracy and volume of fire are supposed to be on a par with the best arty systems in production.
Additionally, I understand that the sytem's range can be significantly increased simply by utilizing RAP shells.

NLOS-LS is simply a perfect companion to NLOS-C, providing the warfighter with pinpoint accuracy, and long range- and the ability to attack deep into enemy territory, without risk of drawing counter-battery fire.
The NLOS-LS missile system allows for the destruction of hostile artillery before it can be used to destroy somewhat more vulnerable tube, and rocket artillery units.
Once the threat of counter-battery fire is diminished, the slightly shorter range of the NLOS-C becomes less of a tactical deficit- and the advantge of it's extremly high rate of fire begins to pay out major dividends.

Of course, if range, accuracy, and sheer volume of fire are more important than having a lightweight gun battery like NLOS-C in the theater in the shortest amount of time- I can think of no better option than the MLRS family of weapons and launchers. The term, "Steel Rain", and testimony of it's effects from the mouths of the MLRS-strike survivors- speaks volumes.
It's not just terrifying, it's also terrifyingly effective.

That said, I suppose a flight of several dozen UCAVs loaded with GBU-39s might be an even more effective option.

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That said, I suppose a flight of several dozen UCAVs loaded with GBU-39s might be an even more effective option.
What about SFW?
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Depends on the target of course. I was only providing a general purpose loadout, as a "for instance."
But if you intend to wipe out an entire tank battalion, or a regiment of armored infantry in a single sortie from very long range, without the ability to use ground-based artillery assets- then I'd have to agree that several dozen UCAVs loaded with SFW's, BAT, and/or LOCAAS, would certainly do the trick.
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