This is a discussion on T-90 in Comparison to Western Armour within the Army & Security Forces forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; And where would that have occured? There were no battles where M1s faced T-72Bs with Kontakt-5 ERA.
During a test ...
It says in ....... jane's that T-72 with Kontakt -5 successfully stopped a KE (DU round ) from the 120mm gun of an abrams.
I think that is more than enough protection.
I've got access to all Janes publications, books and weekly articles for my work. can you please provide a citation for the Janes reference.
failing that, if you can provide me with any details I will follow up with the Janes Defence Liaison contact and get him to track it down.
as we have access to all historical material I should be able to view it - we also see the unpublished Janes data (ie its not released to the general public and is restricted to military/certified govt agencies)
________________ A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, says:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
The quote is attributed to Leland Ness, however it merely mentions that he is a Jane's correspondent, it doesn't state that the information was found in Jane's. However upon looking at the sole external source (appears to be some kind of Indian Army enthusiast's page) given for the wikipedia article I came upon this reference, maybe this would help GF:
Jane's International Defence Review 7/1997, pg. 15
I find the wording (descriptions of the armour making tanks "immune" to M829 DU) somewhat unusual, so I'd be curious to hear what's actually in Jane's as opposed to what is referenced on wikipedia and the external "source".
except that I'm unaware of any Kontakt 5 traps against an M1 shoot. I've had this come up before in other forums and chased it down before to no avail. in fact the black hats I contacted are pretty adamant that no such shoot has been verified
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Originally Posted by Bonza
The quote is attributed to Leland Ness, however it merely mentions that he is a Jane's correspondent, it doesn't state that the information was found in Jane's. However upon looking at the sole external source (appears to be some kind of Indian Army enthusiast's page) given for the wikipedia article I came upon this reference, maybe this would help GF:
Jane's International Defence Review 7/1997, pg. 15
I find the wording (descriptions of the armour making tanks "immune" to M829 DU) somewhat unusual, so I'd be curious to hear what's actually in Jane's as opposed to what is referenced on wikipedia and the external "source".
Give me a couple of days to get hold of Janes LO and I'll trawl through Janes at work (we have it all online)
Leland Ness no longer works for Janes - he left the company in 1990
________________ A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, says:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
except that I'm unaware of any Kontakt 5 traps against an M1 shoot. I've had this come up before in other forums and chased it down before to no avail. in fact the black hats I contacted are pretty adamant that no such shoot has been verified
Wouldn't surprise me at all, considering the sources thus far have been a wiki article and a private website. And it's especially odd that it refers to Ness' name in a '97 article if he left the company in 1990. I'd be interested to hear the real story though!
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Give me a couple of days to get hold of Janes LO and I'll trawl through Janes at work (we have it all online)
What I wouldn't give for a poke through those archives... cheers mate.
As these tests were supposedly done in Germany one also has to wonder about the lack of German rounds getting tested.
One would assume that at least DM33 gets tested if the chance arises.
I only know of Tests against ex-NVA Ts about which we were briefed.
Sorry, but what? Do you want a link to the mentioned threat? There are better ways to ask for this than one word.
I am sorry but I can't give you the link. It may very well be hidden in the depth of the more than sixty pages of this threat. I just remembered that we had this article here before and thougt that it might be usefull to share my memories...
The article you posted was posted earlier and discussed, please search before reposting same material and for what? What do you want to discuss about that article? What premise for the topic, if any, do you want to establish by quoting that article?
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All I will state to you is that at certain ranges this could of been the case with older generation KE projectiles. This is not the case with newer projectiles in regards to K 5 or K 6, you can thank the Ukrainians and certain Russian engineers for this.
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"Here, across death`s other river
The Tartar horsemen shake their spears"
Really? Blimey! I am impressed by your vast knowledge of armour technology!
T-34? T-64 mean anythng to you?
Thought not.......
Marsh
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