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Old January 9th, 2012   #16
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Which MBTs are in service at the moment? Three years ago there still were some T 54 and T 62 (in reserve units?). As the GPV 2011-2020 calls for a reduction of the number of MBTs to 2500 and the T 90 is still in production, whill there be only T 80s and T 90s left then (of the current types)?
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Which MBTs are in service at the moment? Three years ago there still were some T 54 and T 62 (in reserve units?). As the GPV 2011-2020 calls for a reduction of the number of MBTs to 2500 and the T 90 is still in production, whill there be only T 80s and T 90s left then (of the current types)?
The last T-54s, T-55s, and T-62s were retired iirc 2009-10. As late as 2009 T-62s were in active service with the former 42nd MRD, and T-55s with the 18th Mg-Arty. In 2011 T-64s were retired completely.

So currently we have T-72, T-80, and T-90.
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I understand. So will the T 72 also be retired completely until 2020
or are there plans to upgrade some of the remaining?
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I understand. So will the T 72 also be retired completely until 2020
or are there plans to upgrade some of the remaining?
Some of the remaining are being upgraded right now with thermals, K-5, new FCS, and iirc a new engine.

T-80s are not being modernized, and instead being slowly (very slowly) phased out when their resource runs out. So if a tank type is eliminated by 2020, my money is on the T-80.
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So after 2020, we can expect that the Russian Army has to use the T-90 and the 50 years old T-72......
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The perspective MBT will be the Armata platform. The T-72B will slowly get phazed out.
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Iveco LMV In Russia

Russia has apparently signed a contract with Iveco for 60 M65 Lynx vehicles. They will be delivered in knocked down kits and assembled in Voronezh. The total state defense order planned for the M65 is 1775 vehicles through 2020.

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This is a bloggers report of the testing done on the 10 Lynxes ordered earlier, and used for testing by the MoD. OAO Kamaz produced the turrets for them, and will likely provide further localized accessories and modifications for future vehicles, however it seems that Kamaz is not interested in partnering with Iveco on actual localization of the vehicles. Whether the vehicles will undergo further modification will depend on the results of experiment exploitation of the first batch, and the performance in state trials.

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This is by far the most significant purchase of imported equipment by the Russian military, and it shows not only the willingness of the MoD to buy high-quality goods abroad when domestic alternatives are absent, but also shows that the purchase of these new vehicles was taken seriously, and analyzed carefully before committing to the purchase.
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Russia has apparently signed a contract with Iveco for 60 M65 Lynx vehicles. They will be delivered in knocked down kits and assembled in Voronezh. The total state defense order planned for the M65 is 1775 vehicles through 2020.

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This is a bloggers report of the testing done on the 10 Lynxes ordered earlier, and used for testing by the MoD. OAO Kamaz produced the turrets for them, and will likely provide further localized accessories and modifications for future vehicles, however it seems that Kamaz is not interested in partnering with Iveco on actual localization of the vehicles. Whether the vehicles will undergo further modification will depend on the results of experiment exploitation of the first batch, and the performance in state trials.

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This is by far the most significant purchase of imported equipment by the Russian military, and it shows not only the willingness of the MoD to buy high-quality goods abroad when domestic alternatives are absent, but also shows that the purchase of these new vehicles was taken seriously, and analyzed carefully before committing to the purchase.
Great news for somebody I know and every contract helps to cover the high fixed costs and to keep people employed. The region in which this plant is located is the richest of Italy, has the lowest unemployment and it is know for it's dedication to high quality. I know others of that region which have through contracts a direct stake in Sochi 2014.

Anyway it is good to see that the Russian MoD is willing to pay the price of a product not found at home. I'm sure that the testing has been rough and thorough.
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Anyway it is good to see that the Russian MoD is willing to pay the price of a product not found at home. I'm sure that the testing has been rough and thorough.
Would be great to see analysis from actual military experts on this matter. In any case; how do Russia's policy makers expect the military industrial complex to recover by purchasing foreign hardware?

Oh yeah, the current crop of crooks in charge couldn't care less.
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Would be great to see analysis from actual military experts on this matter. In any case; how do Russia's policy makers expect the military industrial complex to recover by purchasing foreign hardware?

Oh yeah, the current crop of crooks in charge couldn't care less.
Well they're trying to get access to the technology and localize production of the vehicle.

There's also the fact that there are no domestic alternatives. Even the brand new Tigr 6a doesn't offer the level of mine-resistance that the LMV has, and it's a much larger vehicle. It's also not like they're going to stop buying the Tigr.
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RussianLand Forces Thread

This is the official thread for discussing all things pertaining to the Russian military's Land Forces, VDV, and SpetzNaz.

Just to toss a few things out there right now: the VDV is currently testing a brand new thermal optic for small arms, the Shakhin thermal sight. It's being tested on the PKP, SVD, and AK-74. There's a decent photogallery here, a long with the news source in Russian. This is the first modern thermal optic for small arms in the Russian military and this represents a major breakthrough.

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Another unique piece of modern equipment currently entering state trials is the Ural Tayfun MRAP. It's supposed to be rated to withstand up to 8kgs of trotyl equivalent, detonated underneath the vehicle. It's supposed to withstand repeated 14.5mm impacts, with even the armored glass designed to take up to two 14.5mm impacts without shattering.

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These, along with Iveco LMVs are supposed to become the basic transportation vehicles for future Land Forces light brigades.
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The Russian MoD will be purchasing a German field hospital from Zeppelin Mobile, for testing and as a basis on which to develop a perspective Russian field hospital.

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This is another purchase of support equipment for the Russian military from Germany. Earlier were field kitchens, and training equipment. This appears to be a fairly solid trend. Thoughts?
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The Russian MoD will be purchasing a German field hospital from Zeppelin Mobile, for testing and as a basis on which to develop a perspective Russian field hospital.

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This is another purchase of support equipment for the Russian military from Germany. Earlier were field kitchens, and training equipment. This appears to be a fairly solid trend. Thoughts?
Can't say I'm thrilled with Russia's purchasing foreign hardware.. we really should be developing our own tech.. like before.
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The problem is you can't anymore.

Not in all relevant fields. Russia has to live with the fact that in some fields it's industry has lost know how or better hasn't progressed since the Sovjet Union.

As much as it might hurt the Russian pride that's a fact. If your own industry can't deliver modern quality products due to lacking know how and/or production facilities you have to shop abroad and hope that some tech transfer and partial production in Russia brings your own industry back on tracks.

That Russia is doing better economical than during the 90s is mainly fuelled by commodities and not because of a thriving machinery and automotives industry.

If the Russian industry can't deliver a top notch training center buy it abroad. Still much better than continuing with the old "pew pew you are dead" while the rest of the developed world runs fully digitalized training centers.

The same obviously applies for mine protected vehicles, field hospitals, etc.
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The problem is you can't anymore.

Not in all relevant fields. Russia has to live with the fact that in some fields it's industry has lost know how or better hasn't progressed since the Sovjet Union.

As much as it might hurt the Russian pride that's a fact. If your own industry can't deliver modern quality products due to lacking know how and/or production facilities you have to shop abroad and hope that some tech transfer and partial production in Russia brings your own industry back on tracks.

That Russia is doing better economical than during the 90s is mainly fuelled by commodities and not because of a thriving machinery and automotives industry.

If the Russian industry can't deliver a top notch training center buy it abroad. Still much better than continuing with the old "pew pew you are dead" while the rest of the developed world runs fully digitalized training centers.

The same obviously applies for mine protected vehicles, field hospitals, etc.
Indeed. Russia has a much eroded manufacturing (automotives, ship-buiding, aircraft etc), chemistry, electronics and machinery base compared to years gone by. Combine that with a relative small internal market and it is easy to see that the efficient R&D and production of several military products is very difficult and costly.

Relative high autarky in this sector can be very important but can carry a very steep price tag in the form of higher costs and lower quality.
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