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This is a discussion on Russian Army/Ground Forces Discussion and Updates within the Army & Security Forces forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by Toblerone Well, the T-72B3M has integrated Relikt ERA so I assume it has better passive protection than ...


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Well, the T-72B3M has integrated Relikt ERA so I assume it has better passive protection than the earlier T-72 models.

Or maybe you mean it lacks in active protection?
Apparently Relikt was not included, the turret tiles are still K-5. I'm not sure what the side-skirts are packaged with, but they're long overdue. The BMO-T has had a quality side-armor package for a while now. It's silly that it took this long to get it on front-line MBTs, especially when Russia is fighting regular wars.
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Feanor, What is the current status for Russia VDV forces.
Is there some new APC in their role?
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Feanor, What is the current status for Russia VDV forces.
Is there some new APC in their role?
They've settled on the BMD-4M platform. The associated APC is the BTR-MDM Rakushka. Deliveries began last year and are continuing this year.

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They're also working on air-droppable Tayfun 4X4 and Tigr 4X4 armored cars (the first an MRAP) with a 30mm autocannon module.
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The Uran series UGVs are making progress in terms of integrating them organically into Motor-Rifle units at the platoon level. Leaving aside the asinine level of commentary to the video, it's interesting that the UGVs are programmed to recognized faces, and to identify what weapons enemy infantrymen are holding to prioritize targets. There's also some discussion, though not very informative, about the AI vs the human operator in terms of effectiveness. It also appears to have variable weapon mounts for ATGM, MANPADS, and other rocket and missile types including the rocket-propelled flamethrowers used by Russian RKhBZ platoons. The control rig for the entire thing is man-portable by a single operator. Meaning an infantry platoon could potentially integrate 1-4 of these machines by simply including operators into the TO either as platoon level assets, or one per infantry squad.

The concept is ripe for combat testing, and Syria would be an ideal battle ground. Assuming these vehicles do well in trials in Russia, I wouldn't be surprised to see a pair of them supporting the SAA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWVNNE_n07I.

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It's quite an interesting concept. Especially in a MOUT environment. I expect it to be sturdy enough to give the enemy some real headaches when one rounds a corner to put a RPG or Shmel into an enemy strongpoint. Apart from it not being impressed by suppression fire I also imagine it to be very hard to hit with an AT weapon before it engages it's target.

HMGs and AMRs might be the best answer to these little critters.
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The Uran series UGVs are making progress in terms of integrating them organically into Motor-Rifle units at the platoon level. Leaving aside the asinine level of commentary to the video, it's interesting that the UGVs are programmed to recognized faces, and to identify what weapons enemy infantrymen are holding to prioritize targets. There's also some discussion, though not very informative, about the AI vs the human operator in terms of effectiveness. It also appears to have variable weapon mounts for ATGM, MANPADS, and other rocket and missile types including the rocket-propelled flamethrowers used by Russian RKhBZ platoons. The control rig for the entire thing is man-portable by a single operator. Meaning an infantry platoon could potentially integrate 1-4 of these machines by simply including operators into the TO either as platoon level assets, or one per infantry squad.

The concept is ripe for combat testing, and Syria would be an ideal battle ground. Assuming these vehicles do well in trials in Russia, I wouldn't be surprised to see a pair of them supporting the SAA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWVNNE_n07I.

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My thoughts exactly Feanor!
I'm surprised that we haven't seen a light or mediocre VDV deployment over the Eastern oilfields of Syria already, if none other reasons to secure them and take some cruicial intersection area, that way they halt the SDF/US advancement southwards.
And as you say, it would test the VDV newly forces.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/

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My thoughts exactly Feanor!
I'm surprised that we haven't seen a light or mediocre VDV deployment over the Eastern oilfields of Syria already, if none other reasons to secure them and take some cruicial intersection area, that way they halt the SDF/US advancement southwards.
And as you say, it would test the VDV newly forces.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/
No. Nothing like that. I'm talking about a team of 4 operators, a squad of marines for escort, and a trailer with a pair of the Uran-9 UGVs to test them and them specifically in combat conditions.

As for deploying ground forces, Russia prefers to send military police units.

EDIT: Some interesting materials, photos of the interiors of the T-15 and T-14.

http://btvt.info/6photos/armata/armata01.html
http://btvt.info/6photos/armata_bmp/armata_bmp01.html

And a photo of a hypothetical Tornado-G MLRS mounted on the same DT-30 that the Arctic variants of the Tor and Pantsyr were. I'm not sure if the 80th and 200th currently have MLRS but if they do, it would certainly improve their cross-country mobility.

http://btvt.info/6photos/rszo/rszo01.html

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It's quite an interesting concept. Especially in a MOUT environment. I expect it to be sturdy enough to give the enemy some real headaches when one rounds a corner to put a RPG or Shmel into an enemy strongpoint. Apart from it not being impressed by suppression fire I also imagine it to be very hard to hit with an AT weapon before it engages it's target.

HMGs and AMRs might be the best answer to these little critters.
I can't help but wonder about the protection level. HMGs would certainly destroy a lot of the exposed equipment on the outside. Even a medium machinegun could hit some of the exposed electro-optics and externally mounted missiles. This was one of the criticisms of the combat module on the BMPT, too exposed. Would these be used for dedicated MOUT ops? Right now Russia is playing with a concept of dedicated assault battalions for MOUT using heavy MRAPs, and having one of the 3 companies equipped with special heavy infantry armor. But there's no word on including UGVs in that force org. Meanwhile this testing is all about integrating them into a standard Motor-Rifle formation.
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