This is a discussion on Pakistan Army News and Discussions within the Army & Security Forces forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by dragonfire
I also read that apart from the guns some boats were also recieved by Pakistan - ...
I also read that apart from the guns some boats were also recieved by Pakistan - any details available ?
Thanks in advance
5 fast attack patrol boats were also delivered, 4 water truck were also delivered for humanitarian relief operations in the South Waziristan Region also. 48 M109A5s were delivered with additional units to follow, Pakistan will most likely recieve the full amount of 182 units along with additional units if requested, they actually come from U.S war stocks that more then likely will never be used by the U.S due to force restructuring.
________________
"Here, across death`s other river
The Tartar horsemen shake their spears"
Pakistan Asks US to Provide Advanced Attack Helicopters * Senator John McCain voices support for Pakistani request
WASHINGTON: Pakistan has asked the United States to provide it with much-needed attack helicopters to help bolster ongoing operations against militants in the tribal areas.
Senator John McCain, a top ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and a former US commander in Afghanistan, view Pakistan’s request favourably, according to a report that appeared in The Washington Times on Wednesday.
“I have been ambassador here for two years, and all I have to show for it is eight second-hand Mi-17 transport helicopters for a war that requires helicopters to root out al Qaeda and the Taliban,” Pakistan’s Ambassador to Washington Hussain Haqqani said. “Military operations would have been quicker and much easier to plan and execute if we had the equipment,” Ambassador Haqqani said.
The $2.5 billion in arms that Pakistan has requested includes new helicopter gunships, including AH-1W and the Apache-64-D; armed helicopters, such as the AH-6 and MD-530 Little Bird; and utility and cargo helicopters, such as the UH-60 Black Hawk, the CH-47D Chinook and the UH-1Y Huey.
Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell said the US government was aware of its ally’s military equipment list.
“The Pakistan Military’s interest in additional lift is well-known, and we have tried to help meet their needs by providing several Mi-17s. We will continue to try to help them acquire the helicopters and other equipment they require to defeat the insurgents and terrorists in their midst,” Morrell said. The Pakistani Military list also includes a request for unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), among the newest and deadliest high-tech arms.
Senator John McCain voiced his support for Pakistan’s request. In an interview he said, “we ought to at least consider this request.” But he also added that the US should provide “better training and maintenance for Pakistan’s military.” “There is a good argument to provide the equipment they need,” he said. APP
whoa! Thats an aweful lot of variety of different helis. Apaches, Little Birds, Chinooks, Hueys, etc.. Would this not be a logistical nightmare for the already stretched resources of the Pakistan Army?
What could be a minimalist core combination of heavy lift, attack, etc helis that Pakistan Army's aviation wing could most efficiently operate with the resources at hand?
________________
With passion and sacrifice, comes freedom!
Pakistan Asks US to Provide Advanced Attack Helicopters * Senator John McCain voices support for Pakistani request
WASHINGTON: Pakistan has asked the United States to provide it with much-needed attack helicopters to help bolster ongoing operations against militants in the tribal areas.
Senator John McCain, a top ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and a former US commander in Afghanistan, view Pakistan’s request favourably, according to a report that appeared in The Washington Times on Wednesday.
“I have been ambassador here for two years, and all I have to show for it is eight second-hand Mi-17 transport helicopters for a war that requires helicopters to root out al Qaeda and the Taliban,” Pakistan’s Ambassador to Washington Hussain Haqqani said. “Military operations would have been quicker and much easier to plan and execute if we had the equipment,” Ambassador Haqqani said.
The $2.5 billion in arms that Pakistan has requested includes new helicopter gunships, including AH-1W and the Apache-64-D; armed helicopters, such as the AH-6 and MD-530 Little Bird; and utility and cargo helicopters, such as the UH-60 Black Hawk, the CH-47D Chinook and the UH-1Y Huey.
Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell said the US government was aware of its ally’s military equipment list.
“The Pakistan Military’s interest in additional lift is well-known, and we have tried to help meet their needs by providing several Mi-17s. We will continue to try to help them acquire the helicopters and other equipment they require to defeat the insurgents and terrorists in their midst,” Morrell said. The Pakistani Military list also includes a request for unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), among the newest and deadliest high-tech arms.
Senator John McCain voiced his support for Pakistan’s request. In an interview he said, “we ought to at least consider this request.” But he also added that the US should provide “better training and maintenance for Pakistan’s military.” “There is a good argument to provide the equipment they need,” he said. APP
whoa! Thats an aweful lot of variety of different helis. Apaches, Little Birds, Chinooks, Hueys, etc.. Would this not be a logistical nightmare for the already stretched resources of the Pakistan Army?
What could be a minimalist core combination of heavy lift, attack, etc helis that Pakistan Army's aviation wing could most efficiently operate with the resources at hand?
Why not buy more Cobras, rather than going for the heavier Apache.
From what i know its light attack helos are more effective and easier to operate in hilly regions (higher altitudes ) the a heavy bird like apache.
Why not buy more Cobras, rather than going for the heavier Apache.
From what i know its light attack helos are more effective and easier to operate in hilly regions (higher altitudes ) the a heavy bird like apache.
Pakistan should purchase Helis which are combat proven in mountaneous regions like the MI-24&28. The KA-52 WOULD ALSO BE GOOD BUT IT IS STILL UNPROVEN.
Pakistan should purchase Helis which are combat proven in mountaneous regions like the MI-24&28. The KA-52 WOULD ALSO BE GOOD BUT IT IS STILL UNPROVEN.
Dont know much about the Ka-50 but the HInd is the worst helo to use in the mountains.
its large and bulky nad has a huge heat signature. Also its not all that agile.
Ita great on plains and deserts but not at higher altitudes.
even during the Kargil war the IAF did not use the HInds...they used armed Mi-17 helos and armed chetaks.
Pakistan on Tuesday claimed to have successfully conducted the first flight test of the newly developed short range surface-to-surface multi-tube ballistic missile ‘Hatf IX' (NASR). Viewed by some strategic analysts as Pakistan's answer to India's Cold Start Doctrine, NASR has a range of 60 km and “shoot-and-scoot'' nuclear delivery capability.
The Inter-Services Public Relations said NASR's quick response system addressed need to deter evolving threats. Addressing a gathering at the undisclosed site of the test, Director-General of the Strategic Plans Division Khalid Ahmed Kidwai said the successful flight marked a milestone in consolidating Pakistan's strategic deterrence capability at all levels of the threat spectrum.
Lt. Gen (retd.) Kidwai pointed out that in the hierarchy of military operations, NASR provided Pakistan with short range missile capability in addition to the already available medium and long range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles in its inventory.
Welcoming the test, security analyst Shireen Mazari said in a statement that Pakistan had now acquired tactical nuclear capability with a low yield that could be used in the battlefield. “It will act as a deterrent against use of mechanised conventional land forces. This was essential in the wake of India's adventurist war-fighting doctrine formulations, which envisaged the use of rapid deployment of armed brigades and divisions in surprise and rapid attacks.''
Referring to India's Cold Start Doctrine, Ms. Mazari said, “India has always felt that Pakistan had a loophole in terms of lacking short range battlefield nuclear weapons, which it could exploit on the assumption that it made little sense for Pakistan to respond to such conventional attacks with strategic nuclear weapons. With NASR, Pakistan has plugged that loophole. Indian dreams of a limited war against Pakistan through its Cold Start strategy have been laid to rest. This will allow for a reassertion of a stable nuclear deterrence in the region.''
Hmm, this certainly changes a LOT of things. Tactical nuclear warhead-capable battlefield missiles for the Pakistan Army indeed means taking the bite out of India's 'Cold Start' doctrine. It leaves one wondering what else is the Pakistan Army cooking discreetly in its test-labs, etc since this is the first significant news to come out in more than a year.
________________
With passion and sacrifice, comes freedom!
Pakistan on Tuesday claimed to have successfully conducted the first flight test of the newly developed short range surface-to-surface multi-tube ballistic missile ‘Hatf IX' (NASR). Viewed by some strategic analysts as Pakistan's answer to India's Cold Start Doctrine, NASR has a range of 60 km and “shoot-and-scoot'' nuclear delivery capability.
The Inter-Services Public Relations said NASR's quick response system addressed need to deter evolving threats. Addressing a gathering at the undisclosed site of the test, Director-General of the Strategic Plans Division Khalid Ahmed Kidwai said the successful flight marked a milestone in consolidating Pakistan's strategic deterrence capability at all levels of the threat spectrum.
Lt. Gen (retd.) Kidwai pointed out that in the hierarchy of military operations, NASR provided Pakistan with short range missile capability in addition to the already available medium and long range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles in its inventory.
Welcoming the test, security analyst Shireen Mazari said in a statement that Pakistan had now acquired tactical nuclear capability with a low yield that could be used in the battlefield. “It will act as a deterrent against use of mechanised conventional land forces. This was essential in the wake of India's adventurist war-fighting doctrine formulations, which envisaged the use of rapid deployment of armed brigades and divisions in surprise and rapid attacks.''
Referring to India's Cold Start Doctrine, Ms. Mazari said, “India has always felt that Pakistan had a loophole in terms of lacking short range battlefield nuclear weapons, which it could exploit on the assumption that it made little sense for Pakistan to respond to such conventional attacks with strategic nuclear weapons. With NASR, Pakistan has plugged that loophole. Indian dreams of a limited war against Pakistan through its Cold Start strategy have been laid to rest. This will allow for a reassertion of a stable nuclear deterrence in the region.''
So are they going to put a neutron bomb warhead on this missile ? if yes, then does Pakistan have enough Tritium production to replenish a large number of these warheads every 12 years ?
Will they wait for Indian Mechanized columns to enter their territory before they nuke them of prefer nuking them inside Indian territory ? or in other words will they like to start a nuclear shooting war with india even before indian infantry and tanks cross the border or prefer blowing up their own cities like lahore, mere 30 miles from the border in case India launches a massive tank offensive on it ?
Tactical or non tactical, a nuke is a nuke. Cold Start is a policy that can be countered with some sharp strategies even in the face of severe conventional disadvantage. What Pakistanis are doing right now is oiling the hair trigger.
Transport and Logistics for Army and Civil Services, is now a major issue:
"AC 313", only if Pakistan gets ToT and a production facility, also cameo of the helicopter should be darkish green or dark greyish black, its look nice n deadly.
The new "Mi-38", is also kool, with a ToT tender and a production facility, Pakistan should be looking for that too, Mi-38 has better endurance, good cargo capability and large troops transport.
Mi-171 n Mi-17 is worth a look as its already in numbers in stock? Can be produced locally. Also Turkish TAI needs to be explored, Any western options with Tot available ?
Ideally Pakistan should focus around on two types of helicopters, (1) a medium-lift transport like Mi-171 or Mi-36 and (2) medium-weight utility helicopter similar to Z-9. Both of these types should be produced locally and adapted for use across all services, be it army,civil, navy, air force, special forces, paramilitaries, etc. The purpose of this is to generate a large enough demand domestically (so that we can justify tech-transfer for local production) and to streamline logistics & maintenance costs. For example, the utility helicopter could be built in shipborne configuration while the medium-lift transport could be assigned to the marines.
A Pakistani general says more than 100 troops have been buried by an avalanche in the disputed Kashmir region.
Pakistan army spokesman Major General Athar Abbas told the BBC some bodies had been recovered but could not say how many had survived.
The avalanche hit a military camp near the Siachen glacier in the Karakoram branch of the Himalaya mountains. A rescue operation is underway.
India and Pakistan both claim the area and have deployed thousands of troops.
Long rescue mission
The avalanche struck the base in the Gayari district at about 06:00 local time (01:00 GMT).
The soldiers are from the Northern Light Infantry regiment, trained in mountain operations, including avalanche rescue.
The military says its "priority is to save lives", and helicopters, sniffer dogs and troops have been sent to the area to help with the rescue.
The BBC's Orla Guerin, in Islamabad, says the remote region is a particularly difficult place to launch a rescue mission, but improving weather conditions are expected to help the operation.
Maj Gen Abbas said the avalanche that hit the military camp had been "very massive" and it could take several days to complete the rescue operation, which was unprecedented in scale for such a location.
The Siachen glacier is in a remote mountain area claimed by both Pakistan and India
He said there had been no communication with any of the missing soldiers.
"It's too early to say how many survived and how many bodies have been recovered," he said.
Although the region is prone to avalanches, the general said, they tend to occur in "forward bases" at higher altitude, where only 10 or 20 troops are located.
The numbers involved in this incident were so high, he said, because avalanches were not expected in the immediate area of the camp that was struck.
An avalanche killed 24 Pakistani troops in 2010 - this is believed to be the heaviest loss of life in a previous such incident until now.
The Siachen glacier is known as the world's highest battlefield, and soldiers have been deployed at elevations of up to 6,700m (22,000 feet).
However, more soldiers have died from the harsh weather conditions there than in combat.
Contradictory news about the number of soldiers who got hit by this tragic Avalanche.Precious lives are lost. Rescue mission is still underway.Chances of survival are grim due to harsh weather conditions.The area of siachin involved is very close to the border.The area involved is almost 1 sq km.
A military statement said the avalanche struck early on Saturday morning, raising the possibility that soldiers were asleep at the time.
.jpg)
.jpg)
