Pakistan Army News and Discussions

[kay_man]

Originally Posted by aaaditya

i thought that the pakistani army also used the steyr-aug,assault rifle,what is the status of it?and its role in the pakistani armed forces?

its a pretty capable gun,i believe it was one of the earlier bull pup designs,iam sure it would be comparably lighter than the hk-g3,which i feel is comparable to the indian army fn-fal in terms of weight and capability.

only the special forces use that.....cool looking gun though.

[ghanz]

Blackwater aka Xe operating in Pakistan. It has been reported in Pakistani Newspapers, but found this report on Al-Jazeera. If they are operating, DID Pakistani official give them permission and why is ISI not doing what they are doing in Pakistan.
Al Jazeera English - CENTRAL/S. ASIA - US firm 'runs covert Pakistan ops'

[surb]

Originally Posted by kashifshahzad

Bullet Proof Helmet

Description
Keeping in view the high degree of threat by terrorists, the Advanced Composites Research Center at Air Weapons Complex has carried out extensive research on bullet-proof materials. Using indigenous technology, AWC has developed lightweight composite Bullet-proof Helmets that provide exceptional battlefield protection. At the same time, the unique design features facilitate body and head movement while aiming, crawling and running.

Design
Specific layers of biaxial woven kevlar fabric have been integrated in polymeric resin. The fabric/resin has been cured in a specific (PASGAT)mould under high temperature and pressure for specific time duration. After de-molding, trimming and painting, webbing is attached to the Helmet.

Test Firing
The Helmet was fired at from a distance of 5m by 9mm caliber sub-machine gun ammunition at ballistic test facilities of Air Weapons Complex and Inspectorate of Armaments, Rawalpindi, in accordance with NIJ standard 0101.01. The Helmet stopped the bullet effectively. The average trauma effect was found to be within limits. The Helmet was also tested under wet conditions. The wet tests
Features

• Protection Level III A (against 9mm ammunition)
• Design PASGAT design
• 0 Material Kevlar
• Resin Material Polymeric
• Color Optional
• Webbing Cotton
• Ballistic Visor Optional
• Weight 1.5 Kg

Bullet Proof Jacket

Description
Keeping in view the high degree of threat posed by terrorists, the Advanced Composites Research Center at Air Weapons Complex has carried out extensive research on bullet-proof materials. Using indigenous technology, AWC has developed lightweight composite Bullet-proof Jackets that provide exceptional battlefield protection. At the same time, the unique design features facilitate body and head movement while aiming, crawling and running.
Design
Specific layers of biaxial woven kevlar fabric have been stitched in diamond pattern. The trauma pack is an integral part of the ballistic insert. The assembly is stitched in water/moisture-resistant black plastic to maintain its ballistic properties. This effectively stops the 9mm bullet. The Jacket can stop the 7.62mm bullet after insertion of front and back laminated ceramic plate. The outer cover is made of washable 100% cotton camouflage twill.

Test Firing
The Jacket was fired at from a distance of 5m by 9mm and 7.62mm caliber ammunition at ballistic test facilities of Air Weapons Complex and Inspectorate of Armaments, Rawalpindi, in accordance with NIJ standard 0101.01. The Jacket stopped both types of bullets effectively with nominal trauma effect.
Features

• High tensile strength/modules
• High toughness
• Light weight
• Excellent retention of
• High thermal stability
• Self extinguishing
• Cut resistant
• Good chemical resistance

Good things would come up in the near future Like Indian Sathi

well sorry for a pretty late input, once i got a chance to talk about the current Bullet proof jackets and Helmets pak army using in swat war with a serving brigadier, he added to my knowledge by saying that the current type practically doesn't stop 7.62mm Ak-47 rounds ...maximum resistance offered if any is just for a single bullet ...the ceramic plate shatters with one shot and all what is required is another bullet to kill the soldiers.
Regarding helmets he said they aren't as effective too and quoting him exactly "i have seen soldiers dying when hit with a straight projectile whether it's 7.62 or anything else....for angled projectile there is some resistance there might be some resistance."
well i don't know what type bullet proof vest and helmets pakistan army is using in swat and waziristan war ....if he is right this might be one of the causes of higher casualties in war against terror on the pakistani side ghanz was mentioning previously.
Please don't mind my late input keep on discussing the matters as they are sequenced.

[surb]

Originally Posted by ghanz

26 Pakistani Security Personnel dead in a helicopter crash in tribal are of Orakzai. It was a MI-17 helicopter. R.I.P
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Deadly military crash in Pakistan

Yeah these talibans (as they are called) are getting pretty effective AA guns and weapons....although it was said officialy announced that it was some technical problem....heli got out out of control and crashed, but latter they commited helicopter been hit by militants.
well that zone around Peshawar is really dangerous , the person about which i mentioned in my previous post in this thread also got hit in a Bell412 helicopter near Peshawar ....luckily he escaped unharmed....the bullets hit heli's wing and it was landed later safely......luckily with no casualties and injuries of personnel on board( therefore newer mentioned anywhere on the media).
My hopes are with pak army ........they must defeat these militants once for all.
some other accidents (before army started the operation) which were mentioned are here,
http://warbirdsofindia.com/forum/vie....php?f=8&t=187
and army losses in waziristan operation,
http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/o...waziristan.htm

[mysterious]

Originally Posted by surb

Yeah these talibans (as they are called) are getting pretty effective AA guns and weapons....although it was said officialy announced that it was some technical problem....heli got out out of control and crashed, but latter they commited helicopter been hit by militants.
well that zone around Peshawar is really dangerous , the person about which i mentioned in my previous post in this thread also got hit in a Bell412 helicopter near Peshawar ....luckily he escaped unharmed....the bullets hit heli's wing and it was landed later safely......luckily with no casualties and injuries of personnel on board( therefore newer mentioned anywhere on the media).
My hopes are with pak army ........they must defeat these militants once for all.
some other accidents (before army started the operation) which were mentioned are here,
Warbirds of India • View topic - PAF Accidents 2008
and army losses in waziristan operation,
Pak army faces stiff resistance in Waziristan: Rediff.com India News

User 'surb', please refrain from using jingoistic Indian media sources relating to information on Pakistan Army and its operation-related issues.

Compared to NATO/ISAF & American forces across the border in Afghanistan, the Pakistan Army has fared much well and has managed to capture and hold ground by routing Taliban militias authoritatively.

On a related note, the current focus of the American 'surge' in Afghanistan is to make Pakistan Army do most of the fighting by driving militants across the border in to Pakistan from Afghanistan. This a great strategy for masking U.S/ISAF failures and putting them in Pakistan's basket.

[surb]

User 'surb', please refrain from using jingoistic Indian media sources relating to information on Pakistan Army and its operation-related issues.

I don't want to flame this thread with the discussion of nationalism,Can you please consider adopting a less confrontational and adversarial approach at this point (towards indian press).I know that exaggeration, enthusiasm and rhetoric can destroy a serious debate.

Compared to NATO/ISAF & American forces across the border in Afghanistan, the Pakistan Army has fared much well and has managed to capture and hold ground by routing Taliban militias authoritatively.

No questions to the commitment of Pakistan army they are doing pretty good.

On a related note, the current focus of the American 'surge' in Afghanistan is to make Pakistan Army do most of the fighting by driving militants across the border in to Pakistan from Afghanistan. This a great strategy for masking U.S/ISAF failures and putting them in Pakistan's basket.

well Talibans are now more concentrated on afghan side of PAK-AFGHAN border;from Pakistani side they are on the run,American surge policy is the result of successful headon approach of Pakistan towards Taliban.
U.S/ISAF are now following dual policy of dialogue and headon apprach,the latter will certainly increase their losses.

[ghanz]

Pakistan Army is operating regular helicopter flights in war against Taliban and most of them look very old except cobra's. Does anyone know if Pakistan Army is looking to buy new helicopters. If they are what are the chances of them going for Z-9 for transport and its attack version.

[aaaditya]

Originally Posted by ghanz

Pakistan Army is operating regular helicopter flights in war against Taliban and most of them look very old except cobra's. Does anyone know if Pakistan Army is looking to buy new helicopters. If they are what are the chances of them going for Z-9 for transport and its attack version.

isnt z-9 the chinese version of the dauphin,if so then what is the point of going for a relatively old design when more modern ones are available in the market.

also i would like to know wether pakistan army operates the sikorsky blackhawk helicopter?

[shag]

Originally Posted by aaaditya

isnt z-9 the chinese version of the dauphin,if so then what is the point of going for a relatively old design when more modern ones are available in the market.

also i would like to know wether pakistan army operates the sikorsky blackhawk helicopter?

That might be true but Pakistan gets much better deals in defence equipment from China(with easy loans etc.) than from any other country. (You could say with possible exception of US now, since US has been providing the large military aid.)

[surb]

Who told you that the army is going to buy the modified Z-9 for counter terrorisim.That is not the case and the answer is a big "no" .Thats been already discussed some where but again they showed interest in eurocopter,what happened after it is as follows, please see this link;

France to Give Eurocopter Tiger Helicopters to Pakistan | Pro-Pakistan

Neighter they operate the sikorsky blackhawks.
Well military deals with china really go smooth most of the time but it matters only when the instruments required by Pakistan are on display.
Z-9ec was a naval requirement so they got the deal signed,Army isn't interested in their modified versiont.

[shag]

Tigre is a good choice. But has it been finalised? How many pieces is pakistan looking at?
while I don't doubt the news, the source website you quoted is a little in doubt. Got a better source for this?

[surb]

Originally Posted by shag

Tigre is a good choice. But has it been finalised? How many pieces is pakistan looking at?
while I don't doubt the news, the source website you quoted is a little in doubt. Got a better source for this?

Check the table in this reference,
Pakistan Army: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article
It says EurocopterTiger 18 Being inducted ; exact numbers and the date of induction is not known to me,but yeah they will soon be inducted.

[shag]

Originally Posted by surb

Check the table in this reference,
Pakistan Army: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article
It says EurocopterTiger 18 Being inducted ; exact numbers and the date of induction is not known to me,but yeah they will soon be inducted.

ohh absolute astronomy is not a source. these guys use a bot that just parse wikipedia articles and create a copy page. you will see that the page is a copy of wiki page on pakistan army. Sorry to pester you on this. but how bout a news article in dawn or something? was there any news in pakistani or european media?

[shag]

Originally Posted by shag

ohh absolute astronomy is not a source. these guys use a bot that just parse wikipedia articles and create a copy page. you will see that the page is a copy of wiki page on pakistan army. Sorry to pester you on this. but how bout a news article in dawn or something? was there any news in pakistani or european media?

Ok I found this one.
DAWN.COM | Pakistan | France to provide combat copters

but it doesn't state any firm intent or numbers.

[surb]

Originally Posted by shag

ohh absolute astronomy is not a source. these guys use a bot that just parse wikipedia articles and create a copy page. you will see that the page is a copy of wiki page on pakistan army. Sorry to pester you on this. but how bout a news article in dawn or something? was there any news in pakistani or european media?

The second source i quoted was just to estimate the number of pieces Pak army getting ( same as wikipedia says about 18-25 ) ...........for the news part of it i had full confidence in my first source; and about numbers i am not that much confident.
i opted for the number in this link(which i never found elsewhere) and highlighted them.
Now any body interested in numbers discussion,i expect the quantity will increase keeping in mind the aging fleet of Cobras.