This is a discussion on Malaysian Order of Battle within the Army & Security Forces forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Got this of the net.
Tentera Udara (Air Force) Tentera Laut (Navy)
ROYAL MALAYSIAN NAVY:
2 X LEKIU CLASS FFG(VLSEAWOLF,MM40,LYNX ...
ROYAL MALAYSIAN NAVY:
2 X LEKIU CLASS FFG(VLSEAWOLF,MM40,LYNX 300)
2 X KASTURI CLASS FF(MM40,ASRL,HELOS)
8 X LAKSAMANA CLASS CORVETTE(ASPIDE SAM,OTOMAT)
1 X RAHMAT FF (104MM,40MM,ASRL,HELOS)
1 X HANG TUAH FF-TRAINING
2 X OPV (100MM,30MM TWIN,HELOS)
6 X NGPV(BUILDING-VLSAM,MM40,LYNX 300) ( 25 more in the works )
4 X SPICA M FAC(MM38,57MM AND 40MM GUN)
4 X HANDALAN CLASS FAC (MM38,57MM AND 40MM GUN)
6 X TNC 45 JERUNG CLASS FAC-G(57MM AND 40MM GUN)
18 X KERIS CLASS PATROL BOATS
24 X CB90H VERSION 2000 COMBAT BOATS
2 X SCORPENE CLASS SSK(ON ORDER-SM 39)
1 X AGOSTA 70B TRAINING(SM 39 MISSILES)
2 X MPCSS MAHAWANGSA CLASS COMMAND SUPPORT SHIPS
1 X NEWPORT CLASS LST
1 X FAJAR SAMUDERA TRANSPORT VESSEL
4 X MAHAMERU CLASS MCMV
20 X LIGHT SUPPORT VESSEL EG-LCP
12 X SUPER LYNX 300 ARMED WITH SEA SKUA
6 S AS 555N FENNEC
RMN HAS ABOUT 1000-2000 NAVAL ELITE FORCE -PASKAL
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ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE:
18 X SU 30MKM (DELIVERY 2006) (22) more on the works
15 X MIG 29N
2 X MIG 29NUB
8 X FA 18D (8) more on the works
10 X F5E (R)
3 X F5F(R)
2 X RF 5E TIGEREYE
16 X HAWK 208 (16) more on the works
7 X HAWK 108
30 X A4 PTM SKYHAWK (R)
17 X MB 339C (EX RNZAF TO BE PROCURE)
7 X MB 339AM
8 X PC 7 MK II
36 X PC 7
20 X MD3-160 AEROTIGA
8 X C130H-30
2 X C 130H
4 X KC 130H (2 ON CONVERSION)
8 X CN 235-220M (2 ORDER)
4 X B200T MPA
8 X CESSNA 402B
1 X GLOBAL EXPRESS
1 X REGIONAL JET VIP CRJ700
1 X FALCON 900B
1 X FOKKER F 28-1000 VIP
3 X EAGLE ARV LONG RANGE UAV
28 X SIKORSKY S61A4 ( 6 CSAR VERSION SOON)
2 X AS 61N1
1 X A109C
10 X MH-17 RUSSIAN HELI (DELIVERY SOON)
RMAF HAS APP 3 PROVOS/INFANTRY BATT-WITH 1 SOF BATT.
RMAF HAS PASKAU SPECIAL FORCE. MAIN MISSION TO TRIGGER LASER SIGNAL TO F-18 FROM TARGET SITE. F-18 TO DEPLOY THE PAVEWAY II BOMB BASED ON PASKAU SIGNAL.
MALAYSIAN ARMY
ACTIVE:100,000 MEN
ACTIVE RESERVE: 70,000 MEN(150,000 BY END 2005)
NATIONAL SERVICEMEN 2004: 400,000 6 MONTHS STINTS (non combat)
PARAMILITARY UNITS:25,000 POLICE FIELD FORCE (2,000 SOF)
HOMEGUARDS(RELA):350,000 ARMED WITH SHOTGUN/M16
26 STANDARD INFANTRY BATT,4 REGULAR LIGHT INFANTRY,3 AIRBORNE,3 MECHANISED,3 ARMOUR,16 ARTY (4 LLAD),3 SPECIAL FORCES REGIMENTS.(AIR ASSAULT BATT TO BE CREATED SOON)
ARMOUR:
62 X PT 91M(T72M1Z) MBT (TO BE DELIVERED+ ARV,AVLB)
25 X SCORPION 90
184 X SIBMAS 90 AFSV
211 X ADNAN AIFV (ARMED WITH 25MM BUSHMASTER)
111 X MIFV (MODERNISED KOREAN KIFV)
460 X RADPANZER CONDOR (SOME ARMED WITH 20MM)
25 X STORMER APC(SOME ARMED WITH 20MM)
70 X HARIMAU 2000 SCOUT CAR
80 X BV206 INCLUDING WITH ARTHUR RADAR
100 X GWAGON WEAPONS CARRIER- ATGW,AGL AND HMG
ARTY:
18 X KERIS (ASTROS II) 300MM MLRS (18 MORE SHOULD FOLLOW SOON)
28 X DENEL G5 MK 3 155 MM HOWITZER
15 X VSEL FH 70 155 MM HOWITZER
200 X OTO MELARA 105 MM PACK HOWITZER
300 X 81MM MORTAR
29 X OERLINKON 35 MM TWIN
24 X BOFORS 40 MM L/70
AIR DEFENCE MISSILES:
12 X JERNAS (ON ORDER)
500 X SHORTS STARBURST(MOST WITH LML LAUNCHERS)
500 X ANZA MK II
200 X SA 16 IGLA
ANTI TANK WEAPONS:
BHAKTAR SHIKAN (TOW LIKE ) ATGW
MILAN 2T ATGW
METIS -M ATGW
ERYX ATGW
BOFORS AT4
C90 RRB
CARL GUSTAV 84 MM
M 40 106MM RR
RADARS:
GIRAFFE AIR DEFENCE
SKYGUARD
ARTHUR ARTY LOCATING RADAR
ASELSAN ASKARAD GSR
2 TYPES OF TACTICAL BRIDGE MLC 90 FROM UK /FRANCE
11 X LOH AGUSTA HELI (PURCHASED) - FOR AIR ASSAULT BATT
POTENTIAL AND CONFIRMED WEAPONS TO BE PURCHASED
IN THE NEXT 2-5 YEARS.
24-36 X FA 18F/SU 30MKM (18 PROCURED-UPDATED)
10 X MH-17 RUSSIAN HELI
24 X ROOIVALK - ATTACK HELI
11 X LOH AGUSTA HELI (PURCHASED)
4 X SAAB ERIEYE AEW/C (SOON-AFTER LIMA 03)
24 X EH 101M
12 X HAWK 208
12 X MEDIUM RANGE SAM LIKE SA 11
60 X poland MBTs
ANOTHER 22 NGPV
MORE 155MM,MLRS ,TANKS.
I dont know how Malaysia's airforce keeps so many different aircraft up and running. Even in the army and the navy, they have too much variety rather than concentrating on fewer variety and more of those less variety things and better up keep of them.
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I dont know how Malaysia's airforce keeps so many different aircraft up and running. Even in the army and the navy, they have too much variety rather than concentrating on fewer variety and more of those less variety things and better up keep of them.
Malaysian Air Force consists mainly of Russian and American fighter planes.
I dont know how Malaysia's airforce keeps so many different aircraft up and running. Even in the army and the navy, they have too much variety rather than concentrating on fewer variety and more of those less variety things and better up keep of them.
There are far too many different fixed wing combat elements in their IMHO.
Logistics would be a nightamre and some of those platforms have cross and sympathetic capabilities - making some of them redundant.
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"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
It was more of a bad deal the F 18 was ment to be the main fighter aircraft but america didnt allow malaysia to place some items they wanted so they have gone russian
also the F 5 and the F 18 are going to be sold off
also bare in mind they are on a massive spending spree so all the old stuff are being sold off so in 5 years their main combat aircraft would be russian, their navy also is in the works of a massive make over. In short they got the cash and they are going to spend it and sell off what crap they got from the past
Malaysia has not decided to get rid of the Hornets per se. They are committed to having a disparate combat fleet as they don't want to be exposed to vendor lockouts. Although they indicated a willingness to get rid of them, they were still leaving some options open.
They will keep both Russian and American (or whatever other combination is approp to split their purchasing vulnerabilities). That is a declared military and governmental purchasing policy.
In a hi-lo combat mix that is a useful strategy. If australia goes down a
hi-lo mix due to JSF delays then a split nationality purchase could be just as relevant for us. Although I suspect that if it (an interim purchase) does happen, then we would probably look at additional F/A-18's from Canada, or Switzerland.
The Swiss Hornets are already "lo'd" for ground attack and have titanium tubs. So they're a capable platform.
It's actually a smart move on the part of Malaysia. They made a political statement, kept their options open and kept some autonomy intact.
BUT, they have been having probs with their Russian aircraft, this was made clear to RAAF pilots on their last combined training exercises.
________________ A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, says:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
I was under the impression Malaysia had already announced that they would purchase 18 FA-18 E/F Super Hornets and return their current fleet of FA-18 C/D's to the US as part payment or is this just a stated intention? Su-30 MKM's and Fa-18 E/F's would provide a very capable air combat force...
I doubt that, though i kept the possibilities open. The Malaysian Government have almost exhausted the budgets for the RMAF in the SU-30 MKM. They cancelled the building of the new airbase just to cover the cost of the MKM. I personally, I think it is unwise for the time being to make another purchase of the new Aircrafts just yet. The money can be used to upgrade several assets already in the RMAF inventory. For example, the Migs can use the upgrades by replacing the old avionics with the new western made one, installing improve wings, additional hardpoints, larger tanks etc. RMAF already have a dual capability on the MKMs and can be commited largely for the long-range strike role while the improve migs can be use to fill the air superiority role.
By the way, paxter. The RMN Laksamana class corvettes is not armed with Aspide SAM. It's Albatros, which is the Italian derivative for the SeaSparrow. The ship was originaly an Assad class vessel intended for the Iraqi Navy. But since they face the sanctions, we got it instead.
The RMAF must have a nightmarish logistical chain. So many different aircraft in such small numbers from so many different suppliers. You'd almost think that a large acquistion to replace several numerous combat fighter types would be cheaper and provide more capability than continuing to maintain such a diverse fleet, even over the short term... I've noticed Thailand operates a similarly diverse fleet like the RMAF, something like 11 different front line combat aircraft centered on 3 Squadrons of F-16's. You have to seriously wonder about the availability rates for some of the aircraft in these airforces. Cheers.
I agreed with most of the observation here saying that with such a variety of type and small number of RMAF assets really put the logistic side in real nightmare.
RMAF in a way able to sort the problems with MiG 29 fleet servicibility, but yes I also feels that we need a bigger number. This will really benefit RMAF in the long run term of servicing etc.
Anyway, Defense Services Asia 2004 will start on April 12 at Kuala Lumpur, so I just hope there might be something in the pipeline for RMAF. Any of the members might attend this exhibition??
Regarding the Malaysian ORBAT for the Navy...RMN confirm for the order of 6 NGPV (2 already delivered and now in the process of sea trial and refitting). But the rest of the project (the balance of 21 vessel) still unconfirmed and it much depends of the quality of the first batches.
Not me, I'll be in Germany, I'd rather be looking at military toys closer to home.
What the RMAF needs to do is either try and build critical spares locally, or stock up in advance. My understanding is that the Russians still haven't discovered that the Kamban delivery system still requires product to arrive at the customers on time and when they need it.
________________ A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, says:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
