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it doesnt matter what they have , the malays dont have the guts to fight , unless they re finding the chinese in singapor or some other neighboring country
This is a rather "racial" type of comment. I wonder why the mods let this one be. to provide a similar racial type of answer, we malays are not an agressive type. but that doesn't mean we're timid. history have shown that we malays always rise up when the occasion calles. i don't know if you all ever heard of the battle in Sungai Manik and in Batu Pahat during the post japanese occupation period. it's a battle between a malays and a communist influenced chinese.
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Well, Toemao, that sounds pretty harsh, but I just heard something today that makes me wonder...
They have been supplying terrorists that have been blowing up Bhuddists in Thailand for years. Now they have empowered religious police to arrest or just beat-up couples that are holding hands or kissing in public (anywhere they can be seen doing it).
The allegations goes without proper proof. even if you know for certain that malaysia did supply the explosives, you still need to present a proper proof. i should say that it's just thailand's way to cover their incompetencies by pointing at others.
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Not very nice people. I wonder what they are planning to do with thier armor?
I should ask that question to the Thais. they've been invading malay states for ages. Pattani was a malay state, and there's still former kedah territory never given back after the siam ended their occupation of Kedah. compare to what the thai have, malaysian inventory are mediocare by comparison.
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From what the review among other Tanks tested, Some have better Armour suxh as T-84, LeClerc and such.
What would the average tank engagement range be that they would be required to fight in, also what other type of armor would it have to go against in this regoin of the world besides LEO 2 A4`s.
But that would mean that the organic arm bde would not materialise (since arm is organised at bde level)....Also, you're gonna end up with 3 excess regts with no idea what to do with. Kluang makes sense because of the location.
However, I wouldn't discount entirely that armour could be concentrated at the Batu 10 camp in Kuantan.
I see your point. However, I don't feel it necessary that the army has to have an organic armoured brigade. Mechanized brigades with an organic armoured battalion would suffice. Just my 2 cents. For the 3rd Div, not counting augmentation by the AW, I would organize around 2 mechanized and 1 infantry brigades. I would deploy the 2 mechs on each coast south of Gemas. The inf brigade I would train to fight in small killer-hunter and spotter teams to create a deep screen ahead of the 2 mechs. Hence, I would prefer the Kluang-based 7th(?) to remain as a leg infantry unit.
What would the average tank engagement range be that they would be required to fight in, also what other type of armor would it have to go against in this regoin of the world besides LEO 2 A4`s.
To the north, American-built M-48s and M-60s. Some Chinese built stuff as well. Further south, British-built Scorpions, Saladins, French-built AMX-10 and Russian-built PT-76s. To the east, mostly wheeled vehicles. V-150s and Simbas.
Only the armor could be a problem in the future as the Leopards you are facing have an option to upgrade their armor the PTs have not.
Waylander, you are obviously very knowledgble in these matters. Perhaps you will be able to offer some insights. How would you rate the T-21 turret that Giat (and now DMD, I guess) offered as part of a possible improvement package for the T-72 line of tanks? Never mind the difference in the main gun. Thanks.
I dont want to be a party pooper, Its great that Malaysia is getting MBT's to strengthen our Land forces. But it seems were sacrificing tank "ability" for tank "reliablity". ?_?
You are referring to security of supply? If so, don't underestimate this as a factor in securing victory. Remember, winning an engagement or battle doesn't guarantee you will win the war. AFAIK, the Werhmarcht had technologically superior equipment to the Red Army but that didn't stop the Army Group Centre from collapsing.
To the north, American-built M-48s and M-60s. Some Chinese built stuff as well. Further south, British-built Scorpions, Saladins, French-built AMX-10 and Russian-built PT-76s. To the east, mostly wheeled vehicles. V-150s and Simbas.
Then the PT91M will serve you well, the LEO2A4 is a good tank, but the Twardy can defeat it with proper ammunition and range.
You are referring to security of supply? If so, don't underestimate this as a factor in securing victory. Remember, winning an engagement or battle doesn't guarantee you will win the war. AFAIK, the Werhmarcht had technologically superior equipment to the Red Army but that didn't stop the Army Group Centre from collapsing.
Totally forgot about WW2 German tank battles against the Soviet T-34's. Does the factor of Open field battle and forested fielding have any effect on the outcome of tank battles?
You have to rely much more on mech inf with tanks being pressed more into a supporting role.
So your way of building up mech inf brigades with one tank and two mech inf btns is normal.
The fighting distance shrinks and heavy vegetation favors the defense more.
It is not that easy to build up strong points which enables even smaller forces to hould ground against larger opponents but also makes it harder for mobile reserves to reinforce weak points fast and mechanized counterassaults are also limited.
Engagements are also longer than for example a clash of tank units in open terrain which tend to be very fast.
Even in our limited vegetation (Compared to yours) defending tanks and IFVs were able to find hidden and protected positions which enabled them to wait for the enemy to close in to several hundred meters making the first fire volley a really nasty surprise for the attacker.
There's more than enough APCs/IFVs to convert the existing regts in 3 Div into mechanised infantry regts.
I think the combined arms div will probably be a 1 arm bde + 3 mech inf bde formation.
What'll probably happen is that new MBTs will probably be formed into new KADs (& replace the allocated KAD for 3 Div). Once there are 3 tank KADs, a new arm bde will probably be formed and attached to the div.
I won't be surprised to see another MBT purchase fairly soon.
From my earlier understanding, the armored brigade would consist of 2 tank reg + 1 mech inf batt while future mech inf bde would consist of 2 mech batt + 1 tank reg. The combined arm div would consist of 1 armor bde + 1 mech inf bde + 1 motorised inf bde.
