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This is a discussion on Made in Singapore Equipment within the Army & Security Forces forum, part of the Global Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by OPSSG Adrian and Chino, thanks for the pixs. I understand that ST Kinetics sent two Bronco hulls ...


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Old November 12th, 2008   #1
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Adrian and Chino, thanks for the pixs.

I understand that ST Kinetics sent two Bronco hulls to the UK for the UK squids to blow them up to their heart's delight (to test their resistance to IEDs).

With the size of the IEDs being found in Afghanistan (and that the IEDs used seem to be growing bigger over time), I'm a little worried about survivability for the Warthog. I understand that the Warthog variant produced for the UK is even heavier than the version of the Bronco (which stands at 18 tons) inducted into the SAF. When asked just how much heavier by the local press? The ST Kinetics spokesman refused to comment. Anyway, the growing size and power of IEDs and mines are such a concern that the SAF has inducted a 30 ton class Counter-Mine Vehicle (CMV) called the Trailblazer, which uses a mine flail system.
As I wrote before the very intrinsic qualities of the Bv206 undermine the efforts to greatly increase the protection against IEDs and mines. It was designed to provide unrivaled mobility in the most difficult terrain (swamps, snowclad slopes and so on). I like to refer to it as chamois on stamina.

The Bronco was the logical consequence, as you simply need a very strong chassis to carry a heavy cell designed with IEDs in mind to provide very high levels of protection. If the Bronco was constructed in such a way than it could be magnitudes safer than the Bv206.

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Thailand has been wanting to order such a ship. I thought the South Korean LPDs would have won the order, but these LSTs from Singapore are wonderful ships as well. One or more should do Thailand well. Keep in mind their often criticized mini-carrier was very useful after the Boxing Day disaster.
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The Indonesian navy went for a South Korean design. The Phillipines has indicated interest in the Endurance class ship as well though they might have funding issues currently. Thier officers visited the ship not too long ago.There is also a report recently where it is stated that India is looking at ships from Singapore and South Korea.

I wish they could have shown an artist`s impression of how the ship will look like plus specifications? It might not be an Endurance class ship afterall; i.e an evolved design or a totally new one. SingTech Marine has show-cased a few designs in the past.

I distinctly recall the Thais needing more space for troop and vehicle conveyance. I also wonder if they would not opt for more autmotation(like the current RSN ships) in favour of more crew.
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The RTN could be purchasing Endurance class LPD but with lesser automation.

I recall sometime ago that there is an article stating that the RSN will most

probably procured two LHD with strengthened deck to support more heavy

lift helicopters landing and operating from the platform.

The most recent update was that the RSN MCMV will be upgraded.

Two will be fully modified, the other two partially modified and am just

pondering why not all four fully modified.

They will be procuring UUV as well for mine counter measure warfare.

The RSN is also looking at platforms to replace the 11 PVs.

Any info the type of ships? Could be the ST Marine so called stealth LCS?

The RSN is also evaluating to replace her 5 FK50 MPA and they are looking for

longer range aircraft and is also considering Global Hawk UAV to support this

new MPA platforms.

Any other updates RED?

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Perhaps, the minesweepers are being upgraded in stages. The first two ships are probably prepared for expanded "mothership" roles with respect to remote UUVs which the RSN currently uses and future ones as well.

What the RSN does not have now is a multi-role support/logistic ship. The Endurance class Lpds are modular enough to play that role however. But that depends on exactly the kind of scenarios the RSN wants to be involved in.

The advent of the Formidables would mean that the RSN is expanding thier range of patrol right up to the Spratlys and Paracel islands(i.e Chinese zone of influence). The latter will be supported by the replacements for the Victory class corvettes sometime next decade which I assume will be frigate hulls and new submarines to replace the Challenger class submarines.

In that sense, a support ship might be necessary for extended deployments. The next question would be the type of ship the RSN wishes to acquire. A traditional support ship? Or a multi-role vessel capable of performing a variety of tasks such as heli-borne operation facilities for disasters and expanded anti-submarine and anti-surface capabilties.
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I wish they could have shown an artist`s impression of how the ship will look like plus specifications? It might not be an Endurance class ship afterall; i.e an evolved design or a totally new one. SingTech Marine has show-cased a few designs in the past.

I distinctly recall the Thais needing more space for troop and vehicle conveyance. I also wonder if they would not opt for more autmotation(like the current RSN ships) in favour of more crew.
I wish too. Today the official words from Goverment is just 'a Singaporean LPD' which can be something like Endurance or not. Waiting for it also.

And I think for sure RTN's LPD will contain less automation since RTN got no manpower shortage problem. (In fact the problem is the overloading of manpower )

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I recall sometime ago that there is an article stating that the RSN will most

probably procured two LHD with strengthened deck to support more heavy

lift helicopters landing and operating from the platform.
Do you refers to this article in my blog?

http://thaimilitary.wordpress.com/20...r-its-new-lpd/

The old requirement said RTN want its LPD to operate with 22,000 pounds helicopter. Maybe because they want to put MH-60S in.

And normally they want 2 ships but, you know, economic kill everything. 1 ship is the best hope for now until all those crisis has pass.
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BAE vs STK - Round 2

In Dec 2008, BAE Systems Global Combat Systems (previously BAE Systems Hägglunds) BvS 10 Mk2 lost to the Bronco made by Singapore Technologies Kinetics (STK) in the Warthog UOR.

According to Jane's, BAE and STK are now competing for the French Army's Vehicule Haute Mobilité (VHM - High Mobility Vehicle) programme.The initial requirement is for 53 VHM units (this could increase to 129) for the French amphibious and mountain units. A contract award for the much delayed VHM programme is expected later this year or in early 2010.

[h/t to YF for the news]

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...BV-206...BVS-10...license produced in Finland, Norway and Singapore.
I don't think so... Far as I know we produce a similar-looking version called the Bronco, but it is not under license. In theory, it is a different vehicle.
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Time for some tank porn, my favourite pic of the Bronco:
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Hi. We are renaming and merging info into a new thread on designed/made/integrated in Singapore military equipment news.

This will enable me to have a central place to park news such as the Warthog UOR win (as the Bronco thread is closed) for ST Kinetics' Bronco, updates on the French Army's Vehicule Haute Mobilité (VHM - High Mobility Vehicle) programme or latest developments of the Advanced Combat Man System (ACMS).

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Bionix Variants In Service
1. Bionix 25 (25mm Bushmaster)
2. Bionix 40/50 (cupola with 40AGL + CIS 0.5HMG)
3. Bionix II (30mm Bushmaster)
4. Bionix Armored Vehicle Launched Bridge (for MLC 30 crossing)
5. Bionix Armoured Recovery Vehicle
6. Trailblazer (CMV)

For those of you who remember a variant of the Bionix was one of the losing finalists in the US Interim Armored Vehicle (IAV) contest for the Interim Brigade Combat Teams, or BCTs.
The growing size and power of IEDs and mines are such a concern that the SAF has inducted a NEW 30 ton class Counter-Mine Vehicle (CMV) called the Trailblazer, which uses a mine flail system. The Trailblazer is built on the Bionix chassis. The Trailblazer offers more protection to the crew and exceptional mobility performance over other commercial off-the-shelf mine clearing vehicles (such as the wheeled Hydrema MCV 910 Series 2, which is also in service with the SAF). In addition to mine-clearing, the Trailblazer is able to mark its trails using a lane marking system with pneumatically fired rods. This enables vehicles to quickly travel behind the Trailblazer safely without losing momentum. Developing the Trailblazer was quite a challenging task, revealed COL Ng Kin Yi, Chief Engineering Officer. He said:
“On one hand, we needed a CMV that would be able to move fast with the other vehicles through a wide range of terrain. Hence, it had to be compact and compatible with the Bionix platforms. At the same time, we wanted a CMV with a flailing system. A lot of people told us that it wasn’t possible, since flailing requires a lot of power, which would sacrifice vehicular speed. Therefore, a separate engine is needed to power the flailing mechanism so that speed is preserved.” *
However, fitting two engines in one small vehicle was clearly not feasible. To overcome this technical impasse, ST Kinetics, conceived a two-in-one engine which enables the Trailblazer to move slowly for flailing purposes, and speedily when travelling with the rest of SAF's armoured forces. BTW, DSTA (see figure 11 at page number 123 for pix) is working on GPS logging on the path cleared and a remote control system for the Trailblazer (for high risk situations).

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* Footnote: Pg 5 of SAF's Army News issue No. 165, April/May 2009.

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Trailblazer on static display at another event and picture credit to kilroy.

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Trailblazer on static display at another event and picture credit to kilroy.

Pictures of the Trailblazer in DT also found here.

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Trailblazer has to be the best design I have seen for a flail style mine sweeper. Very small foot print compared to clearing width . How are they cooling the hydraulic fluid? And who is fielding these If there not for sale yet they should sell like hot cakes.
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Trailblazer has to be the best design I have seen for a flail style mine sweeper. Very small foot print compared to clearing width.
Same here. I like it as it is based on our Bionix platform, which ensures some level of logistics compatibility with our armoured infantry who are equipped with the Bionix II. I also understand that ST Kinetics has tapped on the German firm, IBD for their MEXAS passive armour protection system (as a technology provider - see IBD's survivability onion) in the Bionix platform. To give you an idea of the relationship, here's a 2008 pix of a Bronco with IBD's AMP-ADS.

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How are they cooling the hydraulic fluid? And who is fielding these If there not for sale yet they should sell like hot cakes.
Sorry, I haven't seen more detailed specifications released by their makers, which is ST Kinetics (It is not even listed as a product on their website). Therefore, I'm not able to tell you more.

I hear from the unofficial grapevine that this is exciting times are the SAF and we are expecting/awaiting more information releases. For more details see this thread on upgrades to Singapore's Leopard 2A4 tanks published in the Asian Defence Journal.

I'm hoping that other Singaporean forum members with more information will chime in.

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Thanks for the links OPSSG

Looks like its the BIONIX Recovery vehicle with a cab and the drum in place of a crane. Very nice The engine spec states a 2 cycle diesel, I assume that a typo.
I really like the Spider LSV on the ST kinetics site that would be fun to have for a weekend

keep us posted appreciate the info.
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