Originally Posted by Feanor
This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the explanation. So I take it there is still no move to standardize anything for the Indonesian military?
@Feanor..you have to differentiate for the case of Indonesia between 'Intention'..and 'Implementation'..
On Intention side..there are a lot off initiatives and regulations that "if" being used 'properly' it will moved to standardisation of equipment. However on Implementation side..there are going to faced a lot off obstacles (such as budgetary and Technological sides) that in the end can and potentially will open to various 'demand' and vested interest.
For one thing regulations and political climates push for local industry participation as much as possible on defense equipment procurement. When Technological and Budgetary not an issue then seems standardisation can happen quite smoothly.
Example in small armoury and munitions..Pindad already cover this..so Individual arms..granade launchers..mortar up to 81mm including munitions already stadardise using Pindad products.
Wheeled APC on 6x6 and 4x4..with Pindad already mastered it, then it's standardise with kind of Anoa 6x6, Komodo 4x4, or even Badak 6x6 90mm gun support armoured vehicles.
However when Technology aspects and Budgetary are issues (can be both or one of them)..then vested interest can play in..
Example on 8x8, tracked and Amphibious..Pindad or other local Automotive producers are not really mastered it yet..then which platform to be choosen can created various interest..The Marines perhaps since they are more familiars with East European (ex USSR-Warsaw Pact) products..then they tend try to get frm Eastern Europe sources.
While the Army is more Western minded products, they want to stick with Western originated design..thus that's why in 8x8 they seems go with Pandur II, which are build by Czechs..but originated by Austria..
At the same time Pindad wants to mastered 8x8..thus assides with try to made a deal with Pandur II Czechs producers Excalibur..but they also made a deal with Indian Tata for developing 8x8..thus creates conffusions for those who try to see this 8x8 procurements..which one going to be the Standard for Indonesian Armed Forces ?
The Marines in same time already shown bit dissapointment with BTR4-M in local media, indicating they want to try Russian Amphibious 8x8..
Still by regulations..whoever make manufacturing cooperation with Pindad..should become the standard products used by the Armed Forces..Pindad again in same time only talk to Excalibur and Tata for potential join manufacturing of 8x8..So where the Russian or other producers that the Marines wants their products..can come to this equation ?
Well it's still in land equipment..with Aerospace between what DI wants to cooperate in productions and vested interest from others in Air Force..it become more hotly debated..
DI has long cooperation with Airbus/EADS..thus DI have interest for using EADS products to stregthen their possition within Airbus/EADS production chain..
Reliance for Airbus/EADS products not bode well with some factions within the Armed Forces..especially the Air Force..
The AW-101 saga that I mentioned in Indonesian AF thread is one example where the interest of DI and EADS..conflicting with AF interest for other products..
That's why I also mentioned that it's not a done deal for SU-35 no matter how AF brass talk again and again in media, that they want have Su-35 or other Flankers family.
The thing is DI has no business relationship with Russian manufactures, but they have with EADS or US manufactures like Bells or LM at one time or another.
EADS try to get the deal for Typhoon, and LM for F-16V..and booth publicly offered join production agreement with DI..
DI it self not hide their Agenda that they want the deal goes to Typhoon, caused it will strengthen DI possition within AIRBUS group production chain..
The AF only wants Viper and Flankers..so they can standardise their Main Combat Aircraft in to 2 types..before (hopefully) KFX/IFX can come to their fleet after 2025..
This KFX/IFX deal also create another facet that benefitted LM..just like with ROK..they demand ROKAF to inducted F-35 in their fleet to support US permition for LM supporting KFX..LM and US also indicating Indonesia add LM products to their AF fleet to gain access for LM support in IFX.
This seems come with F-16V considering Indonesia did not have budget yet for F-35 eventough some in US already indicating Indonesia can be considered for F-35 some time in the future..
Like I said, there are Intentions to standardise..but to implemented that..well it's not as easy as it say..