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Got an old picture from Lokal Forum that show 1960's Indonesian Marines exercise with RPG-7 and compared to recent photo of Indonesian Marines still using RPG-7. The thing is, seems the Marines, that still relied on RPG-7 all this time, while the Army already moved to western type shoulder launched anti armor projectiles.
Small correction, Malaysian Navy did become the first navy in SEA that fielded 'western' made ship launch SSM in the form of Exocet MM-38. However Indonesian navy already fielded ship launched SSM since early 60's in the form of P-15/SS-N-2 on board Komar missile boats.
I was referring to the wire guided S-11s that were operated years before the Exocets but you're right, Indonesia had the Styx in the 1960's, way before the SS-11s entered service. In fact come to think of it, few if any of the numerous RN, RAN and RNZN vessels deployed in Malaysian waters during the confrontation had anti-ship missiles but ALRI already did. What were the first vessels to be fitted with missiles long after the Komars were retired, the Fatahillah class?
Did Indonesia ever get the RPG-2 prior to the RPG-7? As for the TNI-AD, what other shoulder launched weapons are operated besides LRAC? If I'm not mistaken Ambrust was also bought in the 1980's?
the first vessels to be fitted with missiles long after the Komars were retired, the Fatahillah class?
Did Indonesia ever get the RPG-2 prior to the RPG-7? As for the TNI-AD, what other shoulder launched weapons are operated besides LRAC? If I'm not mistaken Ambrust was also bought in the 1980's?
Actually according to Jane's, Indonesian Navy still operated Komar close to end of 70's. Whether at that time Styx still operational, well questionable. However this means the time difference between the last of Komar and the replacement (South Korean made Mandau Misilles FPB) was not that long. Fatahillah and Mandau did come to TNI-AL operation at simmilar time.
Carl Gustav Recoilles Rifle was the other shoulder launched weapons being used by the Army. French ENTAC was the first anti tank missiles being used by Indonesian Army and procured in the 60's. Recent order of shoulder launch weapons was also Serbian made M80 Zolja. Data on ENTAC and M80 can be seen from Sirpi database. TNI-AD was little bit shy on that.
What has happened to the Leopard 2 purchase? After the talk about 30 units arriving by October, there seems to be no sign of it happening. It also appears that no contract have been signed yet, and only an MoU was signed between Rheinmetal and PT Pindad in Indo-Defence 2012
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What has happened to the Leopard 2 purchase? After the talk about 30 units arriving by October, there seems to be no sign of it happening. It also appears that no contract have been signed yet, and only an MoU was signed between Rheinmetal and PT Pindad in Indo-Defence 2012
That's the link to Kostrad website that show the building for Leopard garage in Yonkav 1( cavalry batalion 1). Usually they are not building anything like this unless Leopard already done deal.
The money for Leo2 already signed to disburse by Parliament. So far that's the update can be found on this matter.
Actually according to Jane's, Indonesian Navy still operated Komar close to end of 70's. Whether at that time Styx still operational, well questionable. However this means the time difference between the last of Komar and the replacement (South Korean made Mandau Misilles FPB) was not that long. Fatahillah and Mandau did come to TNI-AL operation at simmilar time.
Carl Gustav Recoilles Rifle was the other shoulder launched weapons being used by the Army. French ENTAC was the first anti tank missiles being used by Indonesian Army and procured in the 60's. Recent order of shoulder launch weapons was also Serbian made M80 Zolja. Data on ENTAC and M80 can be seen from Sirpi database. TNI-AD was little bit shy on that.
I forgot from which unit (Kopassus/Kostrad/Kopaska/Kormar), but these AT-weapons are in use with them. Armbrust, C90, PF-89 and Armbrust again.
Just reminding,
Indonesian marines belong to Navy (TNI-AL), not in army (TNI-AD).
And maybe we can discuss about Indonesian Navy at its thread.
This is for Indonesian Army.
And about Starstreak, that's are for TNI-AD not TNI-AU ?
Thanks
Well, I do believe when David start this thread, eventough his talking about the army, but from time to time we discuss also in this thread about the marines.
I believe as long as it's land based military arm it's alright, since we do have seperated thread talking about maritime based and aerial based military operations.
After all Indonesian marines due engage heavily on land based operations, and involved on every land based military operations and conflicts since the time of its birth.
Btw talking about ATGM, seems we skip the 9M113 or AT-5 which marines used on their BMP-2/BVP-2. These made them the only operational ATGM in indonesian service, until the comming of plan Javelin. Other AT weapons are unguided ones.
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Well, I do believe when David start this thread, eventough his talking about the army, but from time to time we discuss also in this thread about the marines.
Yah, sure. But I just reminding to all readers here
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Btw talking about ATGM, seems we skip the 9M113 or AT-5 which marines used on their BMP-2/BVP-2. These made them the only operational ATGM in indonesian service, until the comming of plan Javelin. Other AT weapons are unguided ones.
Do you have the quantity of those ATGM?
And I have another open question about Starstreak, anyone?
And I have another open question about Starstreak, anyone?
Starstreak for the Army units (TNI-AD). The Army will used them in tandem with Polish made Grom as Rapier replacements.
For AT-5, not much info on that, except it's procured as one package with BVP-2. Those procured before 2004, where Mindef that days less open on procurements. I suspects since the Marines only procured (in total) around 40 BVP-2, the quantity on AT-5 will not differed much from that. Perhaps as inventory around 2 or 3 AT-5 per one BVP-2.
And what about some news that said the Starstreak can and will be tandem with Oerlikon Sky Shield?
That will be different or the Sky Shield also runs by Army?
Honestly, I haven't heard any official confirmation on starstreak will be operated in tandem with Oerlikon gun. However there are some official news from Mindef and Army that Starstreak will be operated on several Kodam unit especially units that used to operated Rapier.
There are some other talks about that in local forums. However personally I kind treat the defense procurement info in Indonesia rather carefully. There are suspicions in my mind that some news being circulated from some interest parties, to sway procurement decissions toward their 'prefered suppliers'. So unless MoU or contract already being signed, for me it's still an 'intentions' only.
Besides acording to RENSTRA (Defence strategic plan) from Mindef, Shorads mostly will be allocated to Army and some to Marines and Air Force special units. While Renstra still talked about Air Force will be equiped with Medium range SAM. Will that be fullfilled ? Let's wait what happen.
Yah, sure. But I just reminding to all readers here
Do you have the quantity of those ATGM?
And I have another open question about Starstreak, anyone?
Like Ananda said, the Starstreaks are for the Army.
But i havent seen anywhere information about the amount of missiles or launchers. I also dont know if TNI-AD go to use the LML or the Stormer as a launch platform.
Balikpapan (East Kalimantan ANTARA) - Commander VI / Mulawarman Maj. Gen. Usman said Dicky Wainal Scorpion tanks will keep the border area between Indonesia and Malaysia along the 1,600 km in the territory of North Borneo and Borneo Barat will be escorted by Scorpion tanks.
"Leopard Tanks remain stationed on the island of Java," said Commander VI / Mulawarman Maj. Gen. Usman Wainal Dicky in Balikpapan on Monday.
In short, this is some kind of confirmation, from what being speculated so far including in this thread, that Leopard 2 MBT will not be stationed outside Java. However, the existing 2 battalion of Scorpion 90 Light Tank, will be moved to Kalimantan, While Leo 2 MBT will replace their place in Java.
This in my mind show that the Army will concentrated the MBT Operations within Java, due to better infrastructure on operating and supporting MBT. Any need for outside Java operations from those MBT will be only conducted temporarily.
Btw talking about ATGM, seems we skip the 9M113 or AT-5 which marines used on their BMP-2/BVP-2. These made them the only operational ATGM in indonesian service, until the comming of plan Javelin. Other AT weapons are unguided ones.
