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Yes but the Ceaser is lighter and a much smaller vehicle than the G-6, which is ...
I recall seeing a modified BTR-50 that they also plan on acquiring, does this mean they will operate a BTR-50 derivative and a BMP-3 side by side?
BMP-3 is slotted as PT-76 replacement. The one that not finished being decided is what are the replacement for BTR-50. The Marines hopping to get more AAV-7 ex ROK, however seems it's still in limbo. Locally modified BTR-50 derivatives just like I posted on the post 109 is gaining momentum. But it's still need to be finished out I believe for final design. The design used BT-50 derivatives, with underbelly close to BMP-2 and armored of AAV-7 design. So have to be seen yet the final design.
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BMP-3 is slotted as PT-76 replacement. The one that not finished being decided is what are the replacement for BTR-50. The Marines hopping to get more AAV-7 ex ROK, however seems it's still in limbo. Locally modified BTR-50 derivatives just like I posted on the post 109 is gaining momentum. But it's still need to be finished out I believe for final design. The design used BT-50 derivatives, with underbelly close to BMP-2 and armored of AAV-7 design. So have to be seen yet the final design.
Then how many total BMP-3s would be necessary? Also are enough BTR-50 hulls available to modify, or would they need to acquire additional ones from Russia or Ukraine?
Finally Khlopotov posted in his blog that the T-90 is still being considered for purchase by Indonesia. Is there truth to this? He often has good info, but he's also fairly biased at times, so I was curious if you knew anything.
EDIT: My earlier post was wrong, Indonesia should have received 20 BMP-3F up until now, and is getting 34 more this year.
Then how many total BMP-3s would be necessary? Also are enough BTR-50 hulls available to modify, or would they need to acquire additional ones from Russia or Ukraine?
Finally Khlopotov posted in his blog that the T-90 is still being considered for purchase by Indonesia. Is there truth to this? He often has good info, but he's also fairly biased at times, so I was curious if you knew anything.
EDIT: My earlier post was wrong, Indonesia should have received 20 BMP-3F up until now, and is getting 34 more this year.
Right now only one batalion of PT-76 left operating. So those 54 BMP-3 will replace that batalion. The other batalion is consists of AMX-10P. It's relatively new (from early 90's), thus the operatibility still relatively good but the Marines did not like AMX-10. Whether it will be replaced will have to be sen. But the assesment so far by the Marines for BMP-3, they love it.
For the APC/IFV now there's the questions. No official plan on what will be done with Marines Amphibious APC/IFV. The Marines APC/IFV consist of BTR-50 (made bulk of it), BMP-2, BTR-80, and AAV-7. There's enough hull of BMP-50 to make at least 2 batalion. But whether the modification of BTR-50 (BTR-50 derivatives) is the one they're going to choose. No official possition on that. From what I heard, the Marines actually wants BMP-3 as their standard tanks, and AAV-7 as their standard APC. Some rumour in here talking about Pindad actually in process on gaining license for AAV-7 or AAV-7 technology. But no confirmation on this.
Yes the T-90 still in running for Indonesian first MBT. The MBT procurement now really a political saga in Indonesia now. Some says this's due to the amount of lobbyst that MBT producers conducted in Indonesia right. The stand now, the Army (TNI-AD) wants Leo-2. The Parliement (especially the oposition) wants T-90, and the ( according to the rumours) president circle wants K1A1. The process still going, Rheinmetal, Hyundai Rotem, and Roboronexport (on behalf Russian producer) all try to convince the parties in Indonesia that they will provide some kind of Tech Transfer (ToT) to Pindad if their respective MBT being choosen. Pindad it self seems so far more inclined to either Leo-2 or K1A1 since they want to get German 120 MM gun and the 120 mm Nato ammo technology (K1A1 basically use German gun). Again will have to be seen, but seems will be decided in near term.
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And if I'm not mistaken, only part of the fleet was upgraded by NIMBA? Any ideas as to why the AMX is not popular?
The marines feel (according some sources from local forum), the AMX-10 stability performance during amphibious 'beaching' operation is not very good. They tend to be less bouyant if the beaching operation have to be conducted in relative rough waves, They don't find that on Russian stuff and AAV-7 (with AAV-7 according to the rumours from Marines scored on the top as with BMP-3).
Well according some info on European forum that I read, AMX-10 designed for calmer water like channels and river in Europe anyway.
Yes not All PT-76 upgarded. Well those one batalion is basically the ones that get upgrading.
This some specs of the Utility Vehicle with Google Translate:
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The Rantis to be made is the type of command and the type of transportation personnel with vehicle weight specification of 2500 kg, payload weight of 250-1500 kg, length 480-540 cm, width 200 cm, height 183 cm, 39 cm clearance basis, across the water depth 78 cm, Vmax on highways 120 km / h, diesel engine 4200 cc - 6000 cc Turbo Charger Intercooler, steering system power steering, Hydraulic brake system with front disc and rear + Anti Blocking system (ABS), Automatic Transmission, suspension independent suspension module portal, the cruising range of 500 km, the communication system VHF, HF and Intercom Set.
Attached is the Prototype of Rantis which used to be called Garda.
So are they making them as a family of vehicles like the HMMWV?
When you already have build the base, it will not be difficult to developed other variance. The most important thing is the base (the chassis, the transmission packages, the power pack packages, the suspensions packages), and the ability to combine them on working platform.
Indonesia has given the Netherlands a deadline to decide whether or not to sell its surplus Leopard main battle tanks (MBTs) after which Indonesia will look for other sources, a top defense official said Tuesday.
Defense Deputy Minister Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin said the ministry had given the Dutch until the end of March before deciding to buy the MBTs from other countries.
“We can buy the tanks directly from Germany, although the quantity might be different,” he told reporters at the Defense Ministry after a press conference on the results of a meeting of the Defence Industry Policy Committee (KKIP).
Initially, Indonesia had planned to buy the German-made MBT at a discounted price as the Dutch government was implementing harsh defense budget cutbacks that included disbanding its armored divisions in the wake of the economic downturn in Europe.
The plan was to buy 50 units of the 2A4 and another 50 units of the 2A6 variants of the MBT at a total price of US$280 including the costs to upgrade the A4 variant to the A6 standard.
It's no surprises that Dutch parliament full of factions that hostiles to Indonesian Military. After all politically many in Dutch deep down still bitter that Papua and Maluku (especially the southern maluku) being integrated to Indonesia in first places. Plus many Papuan and Maluku diaspora circulated in Dutch and try to influence Dutch attitude to Indonesia.
In the same time the Dutch Government need to get rid of those Leo 2 soon, and Indonesian deal is important for the Dutch Mindef to make efficiency on their operations.
The Germans will offered upgraded Leo A5 (from other sources that familiar with the offered), and seems no political problem facing from Germans on the deal with Indonesian Mindef on Leo 2.
Did I read that correctly? US$280 per tank, inclusive of upgrades?
Also, what plans for modifications/upgrades does the Indonesian MinDef have? Will it follow in Singapore's path or try some new stuff? I know that the topography of the two countries is vastly different so I'm curious to know how much thought has been put into it.
