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apv ap-art from bmp2.
bmp2 vs al-talah ...
View Poll Results: Which Attack Helicopter Should Indian Army opt for
d_berwal what are you trying to say . From the post & the poll came to know that ia is going to buy attack hli copter.
I have so many doughts regarding this .
1) Is ia supposed to buy loh not lch.
2)What happend to our lch project.
3)like loh was abandon ,whether lch i8s abandon.
from your options i think apache is the only proven heli.
what is going on?
1) There is a requirement in IA for dedicated Attack Helicopter ( requirement for general Helicopter is also there, thus LCH (Dhruv 300 nos) will only fulfill transport helicopter requirement in 5.5ton class)
2) IA also has requirement for 10 ton class Helicopter aslo No's not known.
3) LAH ( derivative of Dhruv ) is againg a Light Attack Helicopter in 5 ton class.
4) IA wants to go for dedicated Attack Helicopters in 7-8 ton class. with a wepons load of around 2-3 tons.
5) LCH is for cheeta / chetak replacement ( 40+ already delivered)
6) LAH is for Lancer replacement (still under development)
7) Attack Helicopter ( need for 50-60 geniune anti-tank helicopters ka-50-2 is favoured over the rest as it carries isreali avoinces) theses are tro support the upgraded Mi-35 gunships.
Propulsion Two T700-GE-701Cs
Crew Two
AH-64A AH-64D
Length 58.17 ft (17.73 m) 58.17 ft (17.73 m)
Height 15.24 ft (4.64 m) 13.30 ft (4.05 m)
Wing Span 17.15 ft (5.227 m) 17.15 ft (5.227 m)
Primary Mission Gross Weight 15,075 lb (6838 kg)
11,800 pounds Empty 16,027 lb (7270 kg) Lot 1 Weight
Hover In-Ground Effect (MRP) 15,895 ft (4845 m)
[Standard Day]
14,845 ft (4525 m)
[Hot Day ISA + 15C] 14,650 ft (4465 m)
[Standard Day]
13,350 ft (4068 m)
[Hot Day ISA + 15 C]
Hover Out-of-Ground Effect (MRP) 12,685 ft (3866 m)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
11,215 ft (3418 m)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)] 10,520 ft (3206 m)
[Standard Day]
9,050 ft (2759 m)
[Hot Day ISA + 15 C]
Vertical Rate of Climb (MRP) 2,175 fpm (663 mpm)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
2,050 fpm (625 mpm)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)] 1,775 fpm (541 mpm)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
1,595 fpm (486 mpm)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Maximum Rate of Climb (IRP) 2,915 fpm (889 mpm)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
2,890 fpm (881 mpm)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)] 2,635 fpm (803 mpm)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
2,600 fpm (793 mpm)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Maximum Level Flight Speed 150 kt (279 kph)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
153 kt (284 kph)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)] 147 kt (273 kph)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
149 kt (276 kph)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Cruise Speed (MCP) 150 kt (279 kph)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
153 kt (284 kph)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)] 147 kt (273 kph)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
149 kt (276 kph)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Range 400 km - internal fuel
1,900 km - internal and external fuel
Armament M230 33mm Gun
70mm (2.75 inch) Hydra-70 Folding-Fin Aerial Rockets
AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank missiles
AGM-122 Sidearm anti-radar missile
AIM-9 Sidewinder Air-to-Air missiles
Country of Origin Russia
Builder KAMOV
Role Antihelicopter and gunship
Similar Aircraft Hirundo A109, Mangusta A129, AH-64 Apache, AH-1F Cobra
Blades Main rotor: 6 (2 heads, 3 blades each) Tail rotor: None
Rotor diameter 14.5 meters
Wing span 7.34 meters
Length rotors turning: 16 meters
fuselage: 15.0 meters
Height gear extended: 4.93 meters
gear retracted: 4 meters
Cargo Compartment Dimensions Negligible
Engines 2x 2,200-shp Klimov TV3-117VK turboshaft
Weight Maximum Gross: 10,800 kg
Normal Takeoff: 9,800 kg
Empty: 7,692 kg
Standard Payload External weapons load: 2,500 kg on 4 under-wing stores points.
Speed Maximum (level): 340 km/h (est.)
Cruise: 270-310 km/h
Sideward: 100+ km/h, Rearward: 100+ km/h
Turn Rate unlimited
Max “G” Force +3 to +3.5 g
Ceiling Service: 5,500 meters
Hover (out of ground effect): 4,000 meters
Hover (in ground effect): 5,500 meters
Vertical Climb Rate 10 m/s
Fuel (liters) Internal: INA
External Fuel Tank: 500 ea. (max 4x)
Range (km) Maximum Load: INA
Normal Load: 460
With Aux Fuel: INA
Armament 1x 2A42 30-mm cannon [250 HE-Frag + 250 AP]
2 - AT-16 VIKhR ATGM (6 each)
2 - 80-mm rockets (20 each)
2 - Twin 23-mm gun pods [940 rounds]
4 - 500-kg bombs
2 - AA-11/ARCHER AAM
External fuel tanks (500 liters)
30-mm Automatic Cannon, 2A42:
Range: effective 3,000 m
Elevation: -45° to +10°
Traverse: ±15°
Ammo type and rate of fire is selectable by pilot (HE or AP, 350 or 600)
Most Probable Armament:
Fuselage-mounted 30-mm cannon on right side
80-mm rockets
AT-16 VIKhR ATGMs [ATGM racks can depress to 12°]
AVIONICS The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
This aircraft’s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.
Survivability/Countermeasures Main rotors and engines electrically deiced.
Infrared signature suppressors can be mounted on engine exhausts.
Radar warning receivers, IFF, chaff and flares.
Armored cockpit and self-sealing fuel tanks.
Pilot ejection system.
Crew 1 (pilots, 2 in Ka-52)
Cost
User Countries Preproduction in Russia. An initial fielding plan is for 2 per year for 14 years.
Country of Origin Russia
Builder MIL
Role Attack
Similar Aircraft Mangusta A129, AH-64 Apache, AH-1F Cobra
Rotor diameter 56 ft (17.04 m)
Length 57 ft (17.4 m)
Armament AAMs, antitank missiles, cannon, rockets
Crew Two
I came to know about pak al-talah armoured personal vehicle,do we have any
apv ap-art from bmp2.
bmp2 vs al-talah ,which one will be better.
Is bmp2 an indigenous.
APC Talha
APC Talha has been designed and manufactured by APC Factory Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT). There is a flexibility in the design that the Engine compartment can accommodate power pack with 275 HP Detroit Diesel 6V53T turbocharged engine or 330 HP UTD-20, a Ukrainian engine. TALHA is an all terrain, amphibious infantry support vehicle with 12.7 mm machine gun as its main armament. Adequate crew compartment space provides excellent crew comfort. Survivability is enhanced through use of external fuel tanks. Various forms of bolt-on armour can be added to increase armour protection of the vehicle.
SPECIFICATIONS
General
Length 218.5 inches
Width 100 inches
Height 99.25 inches
Combat Weight 12.5 Ton
Weight, curb 10.6 Ton
Personnel Capacity 13
Fuel Tank Capacity 390 lit
Amphibious Condition Yes, free board - 18 inches
Cruising Range 320 miles
Nominal Ground Pressure 7.79 psi
Number of Shoes 67 left side, 68 right side
Powerpack (Two Options)
Option 1 - Detroit Diesel 6V53T
Type Two Stroke Cycle
Fuel Diesel
Rated Power 275 HP
Power to Weight Ratio 22 HP/Ton
Transmission
Make & Model Allison TX 100-1A
Type Automatic, 3 Speed
Steering Differential or Pivot Brake
Pivot Brake Type Disc
Option 1 - UTD-20
Type Four Stroke Cycle
Fuel Diesel
Rated Power 330 HP
Power to Weight Ratio 25 HP/Ton
Transmission
Make & Model Hydro Mechanical
Type Mechanical, 6 F, 1 R
Steering Planetary
Pivot Brake Type Disc
Optional
Firing Ports Available
Periscope for Crew Available
BMP-2 IFV
Crew: 3 + 7 soldiers.
Combat Weight: 12,800 kg.
Ground Pressure: 0.64 kg/cm2.
Engine: 6-cylinder in-line water cooled diesel developing 300 bhp.
Fuel Capacity: 462 litres.
Maximum Speed: 65 km/h on land and 7 km/h on water.
Maximum Range: 550 - 600 km.
Transmission: Manual, 5 forward and 1 reverse.
Suspension: Torsion bar, hydraulic shock absorbers on 1st, 2nd and 6th road wheels.
Clutch: Multiplate dry constant engagement.
Electrical System: 22-29V.
Gradient: 60%.
Slide Slope: 30%.
Vertical Obstacle: 0.7 metres.
Trench Crossing: 2.5 metres.
Armament: 1 x 30mm 2A42 automatic cannon with 1000 rounds.
...............1 x 7.62mm PKT machine gun with 2000 rounds. (Co-Axial)
...............1 launcher rail for the AT-5 Spandrel or AT-4 Spigot ATGW.
Gun Elevation/Depression: +75Âş/-5Âş.
Smoke Launching Equipment: Six 81mm smoke grenade discharges, with diesel fuel injected into the exhaust.
Indigenous variants produced: Mortar Carrier
.........................................Field Ambulance
.........................................Akash SAM carrier
.........................................Engineer Recovery Vehicle
.........................................Armoured Amphibious Dozer
.........................................Trishul (SAM) Combat Vehicle
.........................................NAMICA (NAg MIssile CArrier)
.........................................105mm Self Propelled Gun carrier
.........................................Armoured Vehicle Tracked Light Repair
*The above vehicles are in various stages of development and not all are used in the Army.
Comments: Known as the Sarath (Chariot of Victory) in the Army. Production continues at 100 per year and 900+ are in active service. BMP stands for Bronevaya Maschina Piekhota. On 20 February 2002, the Simulator Development Division (SDD), Secunderabad launched the first indigenously-developed Aiming Training Simulator for the personnel who man the BMP-II ICV. The simulator is designed & developed to impart comprehensive training in the areas of acquisition and engagement of all kinds of targets including aerial ones to improve their responses and aiming skills. The simulator is expected to usher in an era of safe, realistic and cost effective training. SDD is a premier Category 'A' establishment of the Indian Army, for in-house development of training simulators. SDD has a number of other simulators to its credit which are already in service. The small yet significant organisation continues to grow and excel in the field of simulation and modelling towards evolution of world class training simulators for the Indian Army.
india is currently developing one known as the abhay to replace the sarath(bmp2),not much info is available about ,except that it is beased on western design , expected to weigh 23.5 tons ,is powered by a 40mm bofors guns,will be equipped with missiles and will have a 550hp engine,the us company david brown which was involved in the development of the bradley,challenger is developing the transmission system for the abhay.
the abhay is expected to be tested from 2007 onwards,i have posted an image of it in the indian millitary pics thread of this forum,it is the image of a prototype ,the actual production variant may be different.
there is another variant(a wheeled version)is currently under development,the image of which has been posted on www.acig.org.
besides this india have developed two more light troop carrier vehicles known as the hunky and tuffy. hunky is to be exported to iraq.
the al-talha is not an indigenous pakistani design but is a modified version of the us m113 armoured personnel carrier.
Army chief Gen J J Singh on Friday said the process of acquiring more than 400 155mm howitzers to boost the force's firepower was going smoothly and that the guns were likely to be inducted by next year.
"Our projection of the artillery profile of the Army is to have the 155mm/52 calibre howitzer as our primary weapon and we are proceeding on the acquisitions. The contenders are being trial-evaluated and the tests are likely to be completed by the end of this year," he said at a press conference on the eve of the Army Day.
The Army chief said the force would carry out two trials - the summer tests in the deserts and the high-altitude tests in the winters - before deciding on its choice.
He declined to answer queries on whether the newly-risen controversy over Bofors can hamper the acquisition plans, as the gun of AB Systems - the successor to the Swedish arms major - was one of the contenders.
"We will select the one which performs the best and meets all our parameters. It is then upto the government to approve. Whatever they decide, we will accept," Gen Singh said, adding, "We anticipate inductions to begin by 2007. If we get a gun that meets all our requirements."
The Indian Army's planned acquisition of howitzers from among three contenders - AB Systems, Israel's Soltam Systems and the South African Denel Ltd - had been stymied after the Defence Ministry blacklisted Denel following revelations of improper conduct by the South African firm, and the Israeli gun did not meet the necessary criteria.
This left the Swedish gun as the only contender, thus violating the Comptroller and Auditor General guidelines of not going in for single-vendor procurement.
Since then, new contenders, including Russia, Slovakia, and the United Kingdom, had reportedly entered the contest. There were also indications that the Indian Army was willing to rely on the test results, conducted elsewhere in similar conditions than go in for tests itself, in a bid to speed up the deal.
by the way can anyone give some info on any 155mm field gun that uk or slovakia may have? does slovakia have a spg,last heard even singapore and south korea had been invited.
uk had a light howitzer project but they cancelled it.
well guys here is an inteersting news on a new grenade developed for indian army,seems pretty usefull ,though i believe that it is absically a stun grenade.
New grenade developed
Special Correspondent
HYDERABAD: The Pune-based High Energy Materials Research Laboratory has developed a grenade capable of penetrating a nine-inch thick wall, create fire and smoke. It would help in flushing out terrorists holed up in a building. The development trials are over, A. Subhananda Rao, director, HEMRL told reporters on the sidelines of an international conference.
He said the laboratory was also developing fool-proof explosive detectors and jammers. The detectors would identify explosives 10-20 metres away without any false alarms. They were expected to be ready in one to two years.
While the jammers now being used can neutralise only certain radio frequencies and not mobile frequencies, the new ones would jam radio and mobile frequencies. The devices were expected to be ready in six months, he said.
The HEMRL, in collaboration with the Advanced Centre for High Energy Materials Laboratory at the University of Hyderabad, was developing new compounds like "insensitive RDX", Mr. Rao said.
seems that the indian ordinance factories have developed a series of new weapons for the indian army.
these are:
1)vidhwanshak-a new generation anti material rifle with changeable calibers of 12.7,14.5 and 20mm barrels(to be tested by the indian army this year)intended to replace the denel guns.
2)insas 5.56mm carbine with replaceable barrels of 5.56mm and 9mm barrels(orders for 30000 weapons placed by the indian defence ministry for the paramillitary forces).
3)a new generation submachine gun jointly developed by india and israel(9mm caliber)
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